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Trans man loses UK legal battle to register as his child's father

Leinadro

November 25, 2020
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/16/trans-man-loses-uk-legal-battle-to-register-as-his-childs-father#img-1
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Title Trans man loses UK legal battle to register as his child's father
Author

Leinadro

Upvotes 0
Comments 32
Date November 25, 2020 3:57 AM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/k0knzh/trans_man_loses_uk_legal_battle_to_register_as/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/trans-man-loses-uk-legal-battle-to-register-as-his.839788
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Comments

[–]iainmf 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

" In the appeal court, Lord Burnett came down in favour of the right of a child born to a transgender parent to know the biological reality of its birth, rather than the parent’s right to be recognised on the birth certificate in their legal gender. "

I have to agree with this. Children should know who their mother and father are wherever possible.

I also imagine that there are situations where medical conditions are passed through mothers only or fathers only and obfuscating this from a child is wrong.

[–]pacsatonifil 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree completely.

[–]Key_Newspaper_4528 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

He provided the sperm that makes him the father.

Case closed.

[–]pacsatonifil 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

100%

[–]Ok-Rush-5486 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

the makes him the biological father. not the father.

[–]Key_Newspaper_4528 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Same thing for all intents and purposes.

Men are fathers when thry have kids.

Why you guys fighting reality so hard ?

[–]Ok-Rush-5486 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

didn't he have a kid?

isn't he a man?

[–]Key_Newspaper_4528 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Sorry your bullshit confused me.

Trans"men" arent real men , thats not my opinion its fact.

Fuck off with your post modern sophostry elsewhere cunt

[–]Ok-Rush-5486 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

post modern sophostry

  1. haven't even heard of stanley fish until now
  2. an adult should be able to make their own choices about themselves, and though they do not need your acknowledgement, but instead that of the government.

Fuck off with your <whateverthefuckcategoryIputyouin> somewhere else <buzzwordIdon'tfullyunderstand>

[–]Key_Newspaper_4528 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The government cant recognise religions , because thats what gender is , if you had facts behind it that would be a different story but you dont.

Its so frustrating how wrong you are , its like talking to a flat earther

[–]Ok-Rush-5486 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

really? the government doesn't recognize religions? what about IRC Section 501(c)(3)? what about exemptions from ss? think about what you are saying before posting.

[–]Key_Newspaper_4528 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck you knownwhat i mean cunt.

Lpok all you have to do is showbactual scientific proof that gender exists empirically .

Im only confident because there cant be , because gender isnt scientific.

You are going along with pseudoscience.

You are the same as a flat earther just your bullshit is pppular

[–]Svennboii 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Trans men are real men shut the fuck up

[–]Leinadro[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

The focus here is that this is yet another father being denied something simple, in this case something as simple as being listed as the father on the birth certificate.

[–]spamtheant 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

He wasn't the father but the mother that is the point. The child deserves to know the reality rather than what the mother would have preferred to be the case. The real objective sex matters medically and biologically and teh court has rather sensibly decided records shoujd reflect reality rather than wishful thinking.

[+]Ok-Rush-54860 points 5 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

no,

you widdle fucking idiot,

unless he is gonna have sex with the child,

his sex doesn't matter. only his gender.

[–]Key_Newspaper_4528 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

See I think only sex matters and gender is irrelevant.

Because you can define sex without circular reasoning

[+]Ok-Rush-54861 points 5 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

and you can't define gender without circular reasoning?

Gender is caused by hormones and is normally the same as sex, however, it can be different if a hormonal defect is present. As you cannot directly measure hormonal defects, one must assume that what someone believes they are is what they are.

However, if there was a major psychologically harmful event, their assumption may be misguided and they should seek therapy.

So where is the circular reasoning?

[–]Key_Newspaper_4528 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Gender is caused by hormones"

Nope , its not the definition is "self percieved identity"

I actually took the time to read through the 'literature' before deciding to not entertain the bullshit.

But cite your shit , prove me wrong.

Wall of unrelated text incoming

(I've been down this path before)

[+]Ok-Rush-54861 points 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

first off, fuck Dr. Johanna Olson, and

citation

[–]Key_Newspaper_4528 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You didnt even read the abstract of the study you linked.

"The present findings do not provide any evidence that genetic variants of sex hormone-related genes confer individual susceptibility to MTF or FTM transsexualism."

So do you show intellectual honesty now , or just double down ?

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[–]xX_Roasty_Toasty_Xx 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sorry buckaroo but if you’re anything but a man (trans, gay, female, spaceship, whatever), you automatically have more rights than we do in the justice system. So no, “he’s” not oppressed.

Also imagine being the kid and asking your “dad” where you came from. What’s “he” gonna say? The court is right on this one. Kids deserve to know, definitively, how they were born and to whom. It’s just right.

[–]Ok-Rush-5486 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

wow. the one non-deleted reply is the most toxic shit ever.

also, you assume that trans and gay men are not your acute definition of "men".

we have more rights in the social justice system, not the justice system.

You can't be a men's rights activist if you don't support all men.

[–]Ok-Rush-5486 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the final sentence is absolutely right.

the penultimate one is either deadnaming him or saying you can't be an adopted father.

[–]xX_Roasty_Toasty_Xx 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re just delusional. Give birth = mother. Impregnate = father. It really isn’t that hard to understand.

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[+]Bionicjoker0 points 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

If you guys want to have a stick up your asses, fine. This is not a hill I’m willing to die on.

[+]imjusthereforresearc2 points 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

How can a woman be a father?

That makes no sense and this is not only not a Mens' Rights issue but actually seems like the system working properly.

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