Other than the criminal justice system and general legal system, how do you feel men fave injustices causing there to be a need for this movement

CollectivelyStupid · 2020-08-10T03:03:52+00:00

I'm just curious as to why those two things aren't enough to justify the upset?

mikesteane · 2020-08-10T03:32:23+00:00

The school system; completely feminised and set up to favour girls. It's not that boys are not doing as well, they're being cheated out of fair grades by being marked down as well as having to go through a system designed for the other sex.

Quotas, bias in hiring, representation through the media particularly in advertising and sitcoms. In fact almost everything feminists complain about is really in female favour. Just read it all as projection and you have a set of male complaints.

Ody_ssey · 2020-08-10T05:12:59+00:00

Domestic violence against men is processed under Duluth model by cops. It means even if it is a man calling the cops, that man will be arrested until investigation and marks on his body will be treated as if the accused was defending herself. Some powerful feminists in 1990s convinced lawmakers that men are always the perpetrators and women are always the victims. Due to this, domestic violence against men never reaches statistics because most men avoid calling the cops. Getting arrested means losing the job.

Many universities now have women over 60% students and yet there's a constant push going on to reserve seats for women in STEM instead of offering admission based on merit.

High suicide rate of men and boys are not addressed with enough attention. They are blamed it on masculinity. Most of the support groups are open exclusively for women.

Men compete with merit to get hired for the job. For women we have gender quotas. If women are equal to men all candidates should be hired based on merit and not by gender. Whay companies need is diversity in ideas, not diversity in humans.

EricAllonde · 2020-08-10T09:13:00+00:00

Personally, I feel like feminism should be a space for men to also express their issues as well.

That's nice, but this is the reality:

Feminists: "We demand that men's groups are banned from campus/from government funding/from giving submissions to government/etc etc. Feminism should be the only gender-based group allowed. We women would feel unsafe if a men's group was allowed to exist here, so they must all be banned. Besides, there's no need for men's groups because feminism helps men too. Feminism will solve men's issues."

Society: "OK, whatever you want."

Men: "So... when is feminism going to start working on our issues?"

Feminists: "What??? Why should feminists help you? We don't care about your nonsense. Feminism is for WOMEN, you pathetic, lazy, useless men! Stop expecting us to solve your problems for you. If you want to do something about men's issues, then go and start your own group."

RockmanXX · 2020-08-10T15:59:08+00:00

Personally, I'm a feminist and I want to also understand the men's rights movement a bit more,

Creator of MRM was a feminist who got kicked out of feminist groups for saying that Men face problems. He's still out there but most of us have moved way past him, we are now Anti-Feminists.

user_miki · 2020-08-10T10:13:21+00:00

4-th stage feminist cancer.Better stay away.It is highly contagious.

Mycroft033 · 2020-08-10T17:23:09+00:00

I’m sorry if anyone was rude to you because you’re a feminist. The reason for this is that feminism has hurt so many men here, it’s very hard to talk to a feminist who sincerely believes that feminism is not against men’s rights, or equality, because it is simply factually false. I know you disagree, so I highly recommend you read this if you want to learn more about the men’s rights movement. https://www.reddit.com/r/Egalitarianism/comments/i3valw/if_someone_tells_you_we_live_in_a_patriarchy_show/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I also highly recommend you check out this post discussing why feminism incorporates misandry at its core: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9v6tqj/a_list_about_feminism_misandry_for_anyone_who/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

And this post discussing male disposability in the feminist movement: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/i1t5jp/why_is_violence_against_men_and_boys_ignored_male/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

And finally, if you are still not convinced, I recommend this YouTube video discussing what feminism is at its actual core: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HRkHDEI-pE&feature=youtu.be

The rabbit hole goes deep. I sincerely wish you the best of luck in figuring out feminism. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers as you search for truth. I personally do my best to hate feminism, not the people in it, because so many people within the movement have essentially been manipulated on a deep subconscious level, just like I was. Not everyone can separate out feminism from the people who are enslaved by it, but we must all try our best.

fgrsentinel · 2020-08-10T20:28:27+00:00

There's a number of injustices men face. The most common ones outside the justice/legal system are discrimination in colleges (Look up the backlash from Title IX and you'll see what I mean, but there's also quotas that make it harder for men to get into certain fields than women), schools (a study revealed that boys are often given lower grades for the same work as their female classmates), workplace discrimination (Google and the BBC got into some trouble last year when feminists trying to "prove" the pay gap forced them to reveal their payroll information... Which revealed that they were paying women more in almost every position than men in the same position with the same level of seniority. Employers also take sexual assault claims from men much less seriously than the same complaints from women), and parenting (too much to say about it). The biggest issue, however, is feminism.

You've said elsewhere that you identify as an egalitarian and receive a bit of flak over bringing up certain women's issues. Part of the reason for that is that feminism is increasingly showing itself to be not just mutually exclusive with egalitarianism, but also antagonistic towards it. The reasons for this range from historical revisionism (Look up the "white feather" campaign. Beyond this, many feminists will argue that women's suffrage was because of them when women quite possibly got the right to vote in spite of early feminists.) to outright academic dishonesty and silencing anyone who talks about men's issues. Because of this, simply put, the biggest reason why the MRM needs to exist is because feminism is blocking any attempts at equality between men and women.

To give two examples, there's the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence and the work of feminists regarding the definition of rape. For the first, you have to understand that the Duluth Model was debunked before it was even developed. Some would even argue that the Duluth Model was made to try to curtail a trend of women being arrested for domestic violence shortly after the first DV shelters were opened for women. The story goes that there were calls from feminists for police to make more arrests for domestic violence calls. Once the police complied, feminists were shocked to find that many of those who were arrested were women. Some time after this, a number of feminists got together to create the now-infamous Duluth Model for domestic abuse/violence, a system designed to cast the man as the abuser and the woman as the victim in all cases, even if the man never raised his voice or touched the woman. Regardless of if this story is true, the Duluth Model has not only been consistently disproven (to the point where it's currently believed that most domestic abuse is either initiated by the woman if reciprocal or exclusively the woman if non-reciprocal), but there's been a growing belief that the Model's widespread use has made men afraid to report their abusers as they're more likely to be arrested for it than the woman abusing them. In spite of this, and the fact that at least one person involved in making the Duluth Model has admitted it was a fraud, it's still used in much of the Western World as the "most accurate" representation of Domestic Violence by many groups with government funding.

Regarding the rape situation, feminists have fought long and hard to prevent rape being a genderless crime. Mary Koss is often cited with anger for her callous words on the subject, but the TL;DR of it is that feminists have ensured that "rape" as a crime only applies to female victims and male perpetrators. Female-on-male rape is not only a lesser crime, but it's also possibly the only crime in the western world where the victim is punished and the perpetrator rewarded if the female rapist gets pregnant and wants to collect child support. Let that sink in for a bit. This is in spite of the fact that feminist researchers discovered that for every five women who are raped, four men are also raped. This resulted in the linked metastudy, which revealed that not only are men and women raped at roughly equal rates, but the number of male and female rapists is generally fairly close as well, among other disturbing trends. Worse still, several Youtubers have gone out in public and asked a very simple question with what should be an obvious answer: "can men say no to sex?" I say the answer should be obvious because the answer given by people answering in those videos was a resounding... "no." The responses from women answering it went on to elaborate that either they'd try to get sex from their partner if he said no anyways or that if a man didn't want to have sex with them, they're most likely gay. All this is going on while feminists are campaigning that rape reports from women aren't taken seriously enough by police and that there's a rape culture, but how can they say that when we have people who believe that men have no right to refuse sex and most countries don't even acknowledge them as victims?

If you've read to the end of this, I apologize if this feels like an attack against you, but the simple truth is that this is what feminism is: it's a hate movement. It doesn't care about gender equality, it cares about female supremacy. This is why the MRM exists. This is why egalitarians don't take feminists seriously. My only hope with this is you take a moment to consider what I've said.

genericteenagename · 2020-08-10T22:25:07+00:00

Infant routine circumcision (genital mutilation)

The draft being only men

Men being expected to confine to their societal gender roles, and rejecting that idea means you are less of a man in the eyes of society,

Men not being allowed to defend themselves against female assaulters

Metraxis · 2020-08-10T13:23:16+00:00

So, aside from lack of justice, what injustices are there? Troll.

Title	Other than the criminal justice system and general legal system, how do you feel men fave injustices causing there to be a need for this movement
Author	xkaydra69
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Date	August 10, 2020 2:59 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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