Yesterday I was supposed to spend the night at my friends house with some of my classmates and we were playing truth or dare. There really is no reason for us to choose truth since we already know a lot about each other so we mostly went just with dares. It was pretty fun and we had some weird challenges.
I was staying next to my friends brother and when it was my turn a classmate challenged me to kiss him. His sister immediately told my friend to change the dare and so she did. To be clear, her brother did not say anything when he heard the dare and just laughed so he definitely looked like he was ok with it right? Well WRONG because after I kissed him he told me wtf I am doing and looked like he was really grossed out by it. I was honestly a bit offended and asked him why he is so grossed by me kissing him, I am actually a pretty ok looking girl and even if I wasn’t, there was no reason for him to act like this. He ended up leaving the game and my friend told me that what I did was wrong on so many levels and to get out of her house. My other classmates didn’t say anything so I think they were on my side but didn’t want to participate in this argument (I will ask them when they go back home). Anyways I did end up leaving. Do you guys think I was the asshole here?
Please do NOT comment yet, read this:
Ok I don’t know how to explain this without being misunderstood but could you guys do me a small favor? I used a throwaway account for privacy reasons but the thing is, if this post blows up, there is a high chance for my friend to still see this. Could you please instead of commenting, DM me if your judgement is ‘YTA’? I promise if I get a lot of YTA dms I am going to ACCEPT the judgement as per rule 3 but it’s just weird if my friend sees this and sees ‘YTA’ comments especially after our last argument, you guys get what I mean right? Thank you.
EDIT: Oh cmon guys. This post if 1 in rising now. Can't you please do as I asked you? Would you be ok posting on this subreddit just to get comments full of YTA and your friends see them and laugh at you?
EDIT: Hey mods! Please check your inbox as I sent you a message. It's urgent.
EDIT: Ok the mods responded about automod and they basically told me to suck it up and deal with it wth? Guys please just do as I asked you. I accept my judgement
[–]mgtowolf 15 points16 points17 points (3 children) | Copy Link
I kissed my boy's little sis without consent. Oh I am a total chad, ripped, and drive a lambo and everything. AITA?
I am actually surprised reading the comment section. Usually people hamster excuses for females on that sub, I wonder if it was just the DM part that pissed people off so much?
[–]jaesharp 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Don't talk yourself out of thinking that sometimes, rarely, the world isn't awful. You'll miss the rare times it's a decent place waiting for the trap to spring. That's how beat you when they can't win: they get you to beat yourself.
(Also, the preferred term is women; it's far more inclusive. Besides, who wants to be confused for a TERF? Ugh.)
[–]mgtowolf 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
How is women more inclusive? It means adult female, it narrows it down.
[–]jaesharp -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Not really these days, no, it doesn't.
[–]AddictedtoCatharsis 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Was just going to cross post this when I saw it. Her edits made me laugh.
[–]PurpleHawk222 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I was shocked with all the YTAs usually aita is sexist as hell but they proved themselves
[–]ProfessorChuckFinley 5 points6 points7 points (12 children) | Copy Link
I wonder how different the reactions would've been if she didn't write that arrogant part about "being offended that he didn't like it" and that stupid request for YTA verdicts to be PMs.
[–]kanna172014 -4 points-3 points-2 points (11 children) | Copy Link
We'd still be against her. Regardless of what the "black-pill" tells you, the vast majority of women see female on male sexual assault as bad as male on female sexual assault. Stop listening to the pink-pilled feminazis.
[–]jaesharp 4 points5 points6 points (6 children) | Copy Link
I blame the silent majority you cite for ascenting to the minority's behaviour by taking no visible mass action and indict them for, by and large, remaining silent bystanders just watching us suffer.
Also, knock it off with the *pill shit. Just use words to describe what you mean without implicative slang that doesn't apply to most people here or in the wider world.
[–]kanna172014 -3 points-2 points-1 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Oh, like the so-called "good" incels do? Do you speak out against the misogynistic men? So you have no room to talk, now do you?
[–]jaesharp 2 points3 points4 points (4 children) | Copy Link
The only person making the silent majority argument and talking about incels here is you. I refuse to hold a converation with someone who thinks they're going to have a conversation with a strawman incel who permits derailing - I am none of those things; if you want to communicate genuinely I'd be happy to continue this thread - otherwise, kindly fuck off.
[–]kanna172014 -1 points0 points1 point (3 children) | Copy Link
Not even just incels. You can be misogynistic without being an incel. Also, I notice you didn't answer my question. If you are one of the "silent majority" you spoke of who never takes a stance against sexist men then you cannot say a damn word. According to your logic, if you stay silent then you are complicit. Maybe practice what you preach.
[–]jaesharp 2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
I notice you're still not communicating genuinely and thus your queries are not worth a response other than this one: Fuck off. My record speaks for itself; you, personally, are not owed anything by me - do your own research and read my comment/post history if you want to know my stance on misandry, misogyny, and other forms of sexism and what I've done to fight against them and those who promote them. If you can, great - do so and then continue this thread; otherwise, do not reply - I really don't have time to deal with your shit, please.
[–]kanna172014 -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
You're just mad because you have no rebuttal because I called you out on your bullshit. You are determined to hate women for no reason. You are attempting tone policing to invalidate my point rather than addressing it directly so you lose this argument.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tone_argument
[–]jaesharp 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You engage in https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Whataboutism and demand I spend my valuable time to prove, to your unspecified standard, that I'm personally innocent of misogyny and actively fight against it in order to critique your unrelated posit - when my public record is clearly visible and I stand by the fact that it demonstrates that I am firmly against and fight to eliminate all forms of sexism and unjust discrimination. In doing so, you derail this thread and libel me. You are not entitled to my time, even if your attempted debate weren't opened with a spurious logical fallacy. I never tone policed your argument - look at the defiintion you just linked, and read the section on abuse of the term specifically. I declared your attempt at debate irrelevantly disingenuous and demanded you not waste my time - there's quite the difference between that and asking you to make the same argument but bE nIcE ThIs TiMe. I did not consent to engage in a debate with you on the terms you set. Even so, I gave you multiple opportunties to have a genuine debate - all of which you refused.
Given all of the above, I'm done performing emotional labour for you now. Do better.
Blocked for 1 Week
Reply after then if you still want to attempt to continue this discussion with me
Thread archive: https://i.imgur.com/ukDT6Vz.png
[–]ProfessorChuckFinley 8 points9 points10 points (3 children) | Copy Link
This has nothing to do with the black pill. You are discretely trying to say "shut up incel." Nice try.
Lmao, what planet are you on? Even if they see it as bad, they certainty dont think its as bad as male on female sexual assault.
[+]kanna172014 -9 points-8 points-7 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Because you have selective vision. You only look at posts and situations that support your confirmation bias.
[–]ProfessorChuckFinley 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Take a look in the mirror.
[–]jaesharp 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You're engaging in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting and it's abusive. Stop.
[–]Avidion18 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Why are they giving her awards and upvoting her?
[–]idk-oke 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t know about the awards but people are upvoting because she specifically asked for her post to not blow up. And in that sub people upvote things even if they don’t agree with it.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Anyway none of those awards would actually benefit her
[+]Maito_Guy -8 points-7 points-6 points (7 children) | Copy Link
I don't see a problem(other than her entitled attitude) I mean she essentially made a pass at him and he rejected it. I am guessing from his sisters reaction and his reaction to the pass that maybe he had experienced some kind of sexual violence but it's not like she knew.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (6 children) | Copy Link
She kissed him without consent and made obnoxious comments and blamed him in the comment section
[–]KxNight 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel this is more miscommunication than anything. People get kissed during truth or dare all the time and no one says “yes you may kiss me”. They just do it unless they specifically say no.
In this situation not saying anything is not the same as giving consent in this particular situation.
[–]Maito_Guy 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Yes and like I said she had an entitled attitude. I was not excusing her attitude but her action was not bad. Expecting someone to ask consent before they make a pass at you is retarded feminist bullshit.
[–]mgtowolf 2 points3 points4 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Well, you right. But as long as boys are held to dumbass standards, girls should deal with the same exact expectations. It's the only way things ever change. It has to bite girls in the ass, then it will be a giant tragedy in need of a remedy.
[–]Maito_Guy 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, maybe but anyone genuinely in favour of calling making a pass at someone sexual assault is an idiot.
[–]Trunk-Monkey 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Kissing someone without their consent, especially someone you don't already have a somewhat affectionate relationship with ≠ making a pass.
[–]Maito_Guy -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Going up to a total stranger and lunging yes, the context in this story absolutely not, there was nothing wrong with her actions, only her entitled how dare he not want to kiss me attitude.