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Soon to be broke elitist neighbour

P1Zen

July 14, 2020
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Title Soon to be broke elitist neighbour
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P1Zen

Upvotes 445
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Date July 14, 2020 8:42 AM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/hqxx9p/soon_to_be_broke_elitist_neighbour/
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[–]CrnlButtcheeks 71 points72 points73 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Got a link to the article? I have a hard time believing the only reason she was told to pay them $300,000 was because she called them “dumb foreigners”

[–]The_Great_Sarcasmo 18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

https://amp.news.com.au/national/courts-law/judge-slams-elitist-neighbour-who-called-tradies-dumb-with-300k-order/news-story/74d4706dd22bbd9d2e839276e04b85c6

Doesn't really clear anything up.

[–]CrnlButtcheeks 50 points51 points52 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So this article is really long and totally fucking shit but here’s what I could dig up:

“Mr Cosco eventually pleaded guilty to malicious damage for spraying the expanding foam into Ms Hutley’s kitchen vent.

It was after this that she went to A Current Affair with her story, which Justice Rothman found gave “a totally false impression of her innocence”.

Justice Rothman found that rather than the expanding foam endangering the lives of Ms Hutley’s family, it was “ not readily combustible and is, if anything, compared to the remainder of a kitchen, a fire retardant”.

Justice Rothman ordered Ms Hutley to pay Mr Cosco $300,000 in damages plus interest and costs.”

Sounds like the judge just rest had it out for that lady. Even after the dude plead guilty to something with malicious intent the judge was still like “Nah I don’t see anything wrong with that even though he admitted to having malicious intentions”

[–]The_Great_Sarcasmo 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My suspicion would be that the actual damages are for some kind of property dispute.

But who wants to read about that?

So you take some small, fairly insignificant details of the case, talk about them and then talk about the ruling to make it seem as if the damages are for name calling without actually printing anything that is technically incorrect.

[–]CrnlButtcheeks 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah whatever news organization published that absolute shit excuse for an article is dishonest as fuck

[–]ILikeToArgueALot 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The actual damages are from defamation and slander. Because she slandered and lied about him in a current affair tv show that made her seem innocent in this neighbour war. So he sued her back again for that and won the 300k.

So the timeline is this

  • Her fence is on his side of the property so she is on the wrong

  • They insult each other over it but mostly her doing the abuse and putting faeces in letter boxes

  • He fills her vent with foam

  • She sues and wins to get him charged for it

  • She goes on a current affair to make it seem like she was innocent in all this and the foam could have killed her

  • He sues her back again for slander and wins 300k due to her lies on the tv show and the fact the foam is not flammable

[–]heldonhammer 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article mentioned first that there was a fence dispute. So there was a property dispute. Plus she went on TV to disparage the plaintiff which is probably where the large price for defamation is coming from.

[–]joshuagress12345 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feelsbad, what can you do tho

[–]real_smoky 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me help you:

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=australian+judge+slams+elitist+neighbour

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m sure there’s more context, but this is actually terrible if we take this story at face value. I don’t care what the cunt said, you don’t want to start fining and imprisoning people for insulting or offending others. Like the 12 year old who got arrested in the UK yesterday for a racist slur on twitter. Yeah yeah, that’s awful that he said that, but what these people never stop to think about is, once you open that can of worms and imprison people for speech, eventually other people will be in power and they’ll imprison you for saying something they don’t agree with. They’ll take it too far, for you, one day, but by then it will be way too late.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Bill C-16, anyone?

[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its literally the equivalent bill in Australia to that one, that the judge used to prosecute this lady. Its the hate speech laws.

[–]shook_not_shaken 47 points48 points49 points 6 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link

What pass was denied? Sounds just like a judge violating free speech

[–]litesaber5 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link

Does Australia have free speech protections?

[–]shook_not_shaken 25 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

No idea, not an Australian, but forcing someone to pay money for offending someone is not okay.

[–]litesaber5 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Right but that's the logical end result of saying "hate speech" isn't free speech. Once that insanity becomes one in the same then this will start to happen in America as well.

[–]shook_not_shaken 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I know. People just need to stand form on the stance that the only speech that shouldn't be protected is speech directly asking for or incentivising violence.

[–]IshitONcats -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Nah, people need to not follow shit they hear. Even asking for or incentivising violence should be considered free speech. Just punish the actions that follow. Gust of wind coming out of someone's mouth shouldn't be a jailable offense.

[–]real_smoky -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link

You are a moron. The end result of this would possibly be your wife telling your kid to jump of a building and that she can fly and when the kid dies, your wife is like: FrEe SpEeCh.

Speech and words are not just gusts of wind, you utter idiot.

What if someone told someone else to beat you up or kill your kid? Would you really be satisfied with just the one who performed the action being punished, knowing that he would not have done it if nobody to?

Hate speech breeds hate and hate results in people dying.

If you are a racist who says we should kill people of s certain race, I certainly hope you are ready to die for that statement, because if you have the right to hate people of a certain race, others have a right to hate racists. And then it would be okay, by your logic, to call for the murder of racists, and sooner or later, someone would do it.

And lastly - one reason why we have laws is not only to punish people from doing bad things, but also to minimize the chance of bad things happening. You don't wait for drunk people to kill someone with their car - you make driving drunk illegal. If hate speech being illegal is going to minimize racists from spreading their agenda and will thus save lifes, which can not be recovered by any amount of punishment, then it should be and stay illegal. Kinda obvious, eh?

[–]IshitONcats 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

While were at it, might aswel imprison somebody for even thinking bad thoughts. Maybe we can calculate by their post history and the type of clothes they wear as to which "bad thoughts" their thinking....

Its a slippery slope jackass. How about read a book and have a original thought. But I know your type, you will just continue to give your overlords the rope in which you will be hung from. I bet you sympathize with Stalin dont you?

[–]real_smoky -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, I do not.

You are confusing slippery slopes with slippery slope fallacies.

Grow up.

[–]IshitONcats 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Fallacies = shit you dont understand. Thanks for making the point for me.

[–]IshitONcats -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

But but ma feelings. Maybe I should press charges.

[–]real_smoky -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Maybe.

I don't know how to explain this to you but people's feelings matter.

If you think they don't, maybe you might talk to a psychologist.

Or, you know, tell your boss he is stupid and ugly and then explain to him that you should not lose your jobs because his feelings don't matter.

Tell me how that goes.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]IshitONcats 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Not in a legal sence they dont. Government doesn't have a place to protect you from getting your feelings hurt. I see you support the police state. Maybe we should all have a personal police officer by our side to choke out anybody who hurts our feelings. "Yes, that guy right there, he called me a poopy head"

[–]potplanty 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

She went on a national "news" program and slammed the guy. That's slander and that's illegal.

[–]Philsie 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Slander is not insulting someone. It's way more than that.

[–]potplanty 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While we're at it, in Australia damages can be paid in the case of libel/slander (they're sort of rolled into one now) for income lost, damage to reputation and hurt feelings.

[–]potplanty -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it's publicly and deliberately defaming them. Go read the article because that's exactly what the cunt did.

[–]Philsie 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Slander - "the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation."

But it seems she was just speaking about him as a person. They also need to prove damages, which in this case they have not. Slander and Libel cases need to prove material damage, or loss of income. Not just "She hurt my feelings"!

[–]potplanty -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She didn't just make a statement though, she made deliberate and misleading statements that denied any wrongdoing on her part while placing the blame solely on him. She lied about it to make him look bad and herself like a saint.

[–]Disco_Satan 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You just called her a cunt. This is a public platform. Do you owe her $300,000?

[–]potplanty 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well considering it's a statement of fact and no damage was done to her reputation by it, no.

[–]Transpatials 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What did she say? Because there’s a difference between “That guy is a piece of shit” which is subjective opinion and “That guy beats his kids” which is a actual statement intended to be interpreted as factual and must be backed up with proof.

[–]potplanty 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't have specifics because I don't watch that wretched show but according to reports she claimed he had done all this shit to her (throw dog shit, block vents, call her a sexless bitch that is of no use to society) while she did nothing and was just an innocent victim (faaaaar from the truth).

[–]Transpatials 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If he did in fact do those things (I don't know, and I don't really care enough to check) then it wouldn't be slander telling people about it, regardless of what she had done to spur him on to do those things. Just like him telling everyone about those things she did to start it (if she did in fact do them) wouldn't be slander. As long as it's something that actually provably happened, I don't believe it could be slander, it would just be stating standing facts. Regardless of context.

I'm assuming different countries probably have different interpretations of what could be considered slander in regards to their laws though.

[–]mv1641 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and no. We have conflicting laws which is kind of bullshit. Our constitution has a lot of implied freedoms like freedom of speech and freedom of religion. But we also have 18c in the racial discrimination act that goes against this as it restricts speech in a public space which includes social media.

[–]TheOGClyde 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The US is the only country that has free speech as right. So they might have something but they use to an English colony so I'm guessing they followed in their footsteps on hate speech laws.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The US is the only country that has free speech as right.

Kinda:

A number of European countries that take pride in freedom of speech nevertheless outlaw speech that might be interpreted as Holocaust denial. These include Austria, Belgium, Canada, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Slovakia, Switzerland and Romania.

Note: this list isn't up to date.

[–]rdrunner_74 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The US also restricts free speech...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

  • 1Incitement
    • 1.1Incitement to suicide
  • 2False statements of fact
  • 3Obscenity
  • 4Child pornography
  • 5Fighting words
  • 6Threatening the President of the United States
  • 7Speech owned by others
  • 8Commercial speech
  • 9Restrictions based on special capacity of government
    • 9.1As employer
    • 9.2As regulator of the airwaves
    • 9.3As educator
    • 9.4As subsidizer/speaker
    • 9.5As regulator of the bar
    • 9.6As controller of the military
    • 9.7As prison warden
    • 9.8As regulator of immigration

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most of those are reasonable and are covered by the principle of no incitement to crimes.

Government emploeyes also makes some sense. The puritan anti-sex thing is a legacy cultural thing.

​

All in all, just don't go the UK where they arrest you for mean tweets.

[–]rdrunner_74 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When we say our free speech laws protect the dignity of others any exception is deemed unbearable

[–]potplanty 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, we don't. And it is scary as hell. Literally you can be fined massive amounts for saying something with the intent of 'offending' it is absurd. Many have tried to remove the word 'offened' from the law, but they are labelled racists, because its part of the hate speech laws.

[–]litesaber5 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I had a conversation with my BIL a while back and he is not the brightest bulb but a very sweet kid. He's 30 and is as left as they come. He couldn't understand why it should be allowed to say hateful things and not be punished for it. Even after explaining over time words change meaning and different political and cultural mores hold sway and that what is nice speech today is verboten tomorrow. Think 1960s "gay" and current "gay", 1930s "fag" vs 2000's "fag" etc. He literaly just could not understand why it would be a terrible idea to either remove the 1st amendment or to radically alter it. And it's not just him. It's all his retard friends and thier friends and thiers and thier and on and on. You can't even explain to them in a way they understand. It's not apples and oranges. Is a Russians nuclear physicist going back in time trying to read and explain the French version of Chaucer that was translated from the original old English into Tagaeri in the Amazon rain forest then into binary into said French to cave painters who only communication through grunts and cave paintings. It's a terrifying time. In almost 40 and I NEVER NEVER would have thought this would be mine and my kids future when I graduated HS.

[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ikr, I don't understand what is so complex about it. It should just be as simple as "you shouldn't be punished for saying words"

[–]Buckhidebreeches 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

What a great dystopian world you live in. So let's get this straight the dude sprayed foam in this ladies cooking vent so the cooking smoke blows back into her house, she calls him a fuckin wanker, she pays him 300000$? And that's cool to you? Its like your governments are reading George Orwell, and setting policies off him. It's a sad day in the world when fucks like you cheer for free speech to die. God damn I love America.

Edit: people were confused I reworded. I'm an American who loves America. Why? Because the most that would happen if I called my neighbor dumb foreigners is neighbor tension. Not the government coming to take away my rights because you are offended.

[–]Drakane1 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

not american

[–]Buckhidebreeches 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am that's why I love it.

[–]Drakane1 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

sound like you were trying to be sarcastic that is dumb sentence structure

[–]Gabagaba62 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/abysmal-arrogance-and-privilege-balmain-lawyer-ordered-to-pay-neighbour-300-000-20200706-p559d2.html

I think the cook smoke was blowing into his house and he told the woman to relocate it. Read the article. It was mentioned briefly.

[–]Buckhidebreeches 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Oh no the lady has zero control over that. So this lady is being fined because she doesn't know construction? I wanna know where its justified to fine this lady when she sustained property damage? Oh no the idiot got called a dumb foreigner. Cry me a river.

[–]Gabagaba62 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You jumped the gun there bud. I didn't say anything about the fines or judge's ruling. I only mentioned the smoke vent. Calm your tits.

[–]Buckhidebreeches -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And that was your justification on why this lady got fined. That is unnecessary, and useless information. If anything it proves hi is an asshole. Instead of talking to her about it again he did the wrong thing, and got rewarded for it.

[–]Gabagaba62 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude, calm the fuck down. And stay off drugs.

[–]Buckhidebreeches -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Stay woke brother

[–]Gabagaba62 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok boomer.

[–]Buckhidebreeches 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm probably younger than you are dawg. Your weird cult words don't work on me.

[–]baxigamer22 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

300000?????

[–]HexagonHobbes 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At what point did offensive words become equitable to the exchange of $300,000?

Even worse is the vague language of "superiority" and "arrogance". Being arrogant can cost you $300,000 in whatever hellscape this woman lives?

[–]privetek07 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is unfair.. She shouldn't need to pay for that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She deserves a slap, but criminal charges and 300k fine for verbal harassment is way excessive.

[–]aTotalOfTwoHeads 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She basically got sued for saying words? This isn't justice

[–]Buckhidebreeches 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

r/justunsubbed

[–]nomorepantsforme 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you don’t have freedom of speech, I mean she was probably being a cunt but, this is ridiculous

[–]ThomasSowell_Alpha 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like she's a bitch, but fuck me the government is fucked with that kind of power. Really makes me wish my country had freedom of speech as a protected right.

[–]FrostyCakes123 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Violating free speech, no pass here was denied I feel bad for her

[–]carlbandit 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She didn't just call him a "dumb foreigner" to his face.

She went on a national TV program to rant about how he's a bad neighbour and bullies her. The judge concluded she was the 1 bullying him and the workers at his house and was confident he'd never bullied her.

He sued for defamation, which is understandable when someone goes on TV and makes claims your a bully and threaten their life, when in fact it was him and the people working on his house where bullied by the accuser

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8519257/Lawyer-ordered-pay-builder-neighbour-300-000-defaming-Current-Affair.html

[–]Hippo_Operator 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But, this is Australia, everyone is meant to call one another names all day long...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well said cunt!

[–]Hippo_Operator 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That'll be Three Hundi Thousand dollery doo's mate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

dollery doo's mate.

Oh god I'm dying, aussies are the best bunch to drink with!

[–]Transpatials 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What does gender have to do with any of this? She may be a POS but what pussy pass was used?

[–]BayBel 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm so glad most of the comments disagree with this. Is she a CUNY -yes. But it's her opinion.

[–]Gabagaba62 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/abysmal-arrogance-and-privilege-balmain-lawyer-ordered-to-pay-neighbour-300-000-20200706-p559d2.html

This somewhat clears things up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm only surprised the judge didn't just didn't come straight out and call her a Karen.

[–]deedeeBrad -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She looks like someone just stuck a carrot up her arse and she has to hold in the ooooohhhhhh

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