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Fun fact:women weren’t denied the vote due to sexism most women were against the vote because they didn’t want to be drafted, once they realized they wouldn’t be conscripted they became pro suffrage

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May 25, 2020

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Title	Fun fact:women weren’t denied the vote due to sexism most women were against the vote because they didn’t want to be drafted, once they realized they wouldn’t be conscripted they became pro suffrage
Author	ajofalante
Upvotes	192
Comments	66
Date	May 25, 2020 4:19 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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didn’t a woman carry those men in their stomachs and wreak havoc on their bodies and then subsequently raised them and tended to them?

So wait, women should automatically get credit for everything men do, just because they birthed them?

And didn’t women, during the world wars, work and contribute to the war from home?

Sure, of course. Many women worked during the war out of necessity, there was a labour shortage on account of men dying on foreign shores instead of being safe on home soil.

There were also women who "contributed" to the war by guilting men into enlisting and getting themselves killed, who were in civilian clothing. These were also the ones who were advocating for perpetual war to reduce male numbers. These are also the people who gave birth to the feminism we see today.

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“So wait, women should automatically get credit for everything men do, just because they birthed them?”

That’s not what I said. I’m saying that women bear the brunt of the labor, emotionally and physically, for literally sustaining life lmao. Not that it’s better or worse than what men do but jeez how can you blind to do that.

“Sure, of course. Many women worked during the war out of necessity, there was a labour shortage on account of men dying on foreign shores instead of being safe on home soil.”

It doesn’t make a difference that it was out of necessity. Fact remains that women stepped up effectively and carried our economy with most of them having literally no work experience. Not to mention, women in the war took care of children, were nurses, etc etc.

“There were also women who "contributed" to the war by guilting men into enlisting and getting themselves killed, who were in civilian clothing. These were also the ones who were advocating for perpetual war to reduce male numbers. These are also the people who gave birth to the feminism we see today.”

[–]auMatech 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

That’s not what I said.

That is literally how it reads:

Isn’t suffrage a civil right? And even if it something to be earned...didn’t a woman carry those men in their stomachs and wreak havoc on their bodies and then subsequently raised them and tended to them

Something to be earned... Birthed those men... Raised and tended to them...

It doesn’t make a difference that it was out of necessity. Fact remains that women stepped up effectively and carried our economy with most of them having literally no work experience. Not to mention, women in the war took care of children, were nurses, etc etc

True, but the only reason men were even given voting rights was almost a mere afterthought, because they were dying for a country that didn't even afford them a right to have their voices heard politically.

While the positive impact women had supporting war efforts had a part to play in Churchill giving the women the vote, it was overshadowed by suffragettes carrying out bombings and arson attacks domestically during war time (in other words committing terrorist acts).

This is also the "contribution" to the war that's often overlooked, and is likely what /u/AgincourtSalute meant with his remarks. The white feather movement caused the deaths of many men who were pressured, humiliated and guilted into conscription.

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Suffrage is a right. With rights come responsibilities. One of those responsibilities is the defence of your nation. The posters of the First World War literally said, “Women of Britain say ‘Go!’” And the suffragette generation handed white feathers to men they thought should be fighting.

I do not hate women. I hate those suffragettes and the things that they did. They were perfectly willing to physically attack politicians, destroy property, commit arson on religious and civic buildings, send bombs through the post that injured innocent postal workers, and displayed all sorts of violence toward the law and those who enforced it. Yet, when war broke out, they were happy to send teenage boys to die horrible deaths in awful conditions on their behalf; males who also had no recourse to parliament because they too did not have the right to vote. Meanwhile, those previously fierce and violent women tended the sick in local hospitals and knitted socks for the troops.

When the Suffrage Act was passed those women celebrated. And a hundred years later they were still cheered for their success. Whilst the fact that the majority of those killed in the war were equally disenfranchised is still glossed over.

Those are the facts that I hate. I do not hate women. For example, I loved my grandmother dearly, but I never got to meet her brothers, because they both died horrible deaths in Belgium before their twentieth birthdays. Neither of them ever had the privilege of voting. My grandmother had the privilege of voting. She also had the privilege of choosing to marry, to have children, grandchildren, and to enjoy seeing them grow. She lived into her eighties and had many choices in life that she enjoyed, including bearing children and even meeting several great grandchildren. That was her choice.

Her brothers had no such choice.

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Here are two publications from the time period talking about this:

ILLINOIS ASSOCIATION OPPOSED TO THE EXTENSION OF SUFFRAGE TO WOMEN: WOMAN’S PROTEST AGAINST WOMAN SUFFRAGE TO MEMBERS OF THE ILLINOIS LEGISLATURE, 1909.

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/gilded/power/text12/antisuffrageassoc.pdf

Abbott, Lyman. (1903). "Why Women Do Not Wish the Suffrage". The Atlantic

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/306616/

Suffrage for women represented a pretty big moral hazard in general at the time. It wasn't just over conscription but also over fire brigades and things like that. Plus there was the issue of prohibition: most women supported it, but women weren't going to be the ones enforcing it. The power of the women's vote showed up pretty soon afterwards because prohibition was both enacted, and later repealed, based on majority female sentiment on the issue.

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