This sub paints a black and white image of MRA and feminism that is innaccurate

bufedad · 2020-05-20T17:31:44+00:00

Any true MRAs or feminists should see each other as allies, fighting for everyone to be treated better.

MRA's fighting for equal parenting rights cannot be allies with feminists who have consistently fought to prevent them.

MRA's fighting for equal treatment for male DV victims of female abusers cannot be allies with feminists who've successfully fought to have male victims arrested when they report their abuser.

excess_inquisitivity · 2020-05-20T17:30:58+00:00

I think this subreddit focuses far too much on a small community of fake-woke radical liberal "feminists" that are really just man haters.

Here ya go

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9v6tqj/a_list_about_feminism_misandry_for_anyone_who

mgtowolf · 2020-05-20T17:56:52+00:00

Funny how the "manhater tiny minority" keep somehow raising to leadership and spokesperson levels within the organizations, that are supposedly 99.47892% made up of womens that just want equalities. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

Lethn · 2020-05-20T17:28:09+00:00

Do you believe in patriarchy?

mgtowolf · 2020-05-20T18:22:04+00:00

Obligatory copypasta

So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists".
That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception.
Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one.
But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls."
You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.
You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.
You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.
You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.
You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.
You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.
You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.
You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history."
You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them.
And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.
You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.

perplexedm · 2020-05-20T19:37:13+00:00

This is a flaw in liberal feminism that has (partially) led to the existence of these communities of misandrists.

Will listen to you when we hear so called huge majority of contemporary rational feminists calling out, in your own words:

community of fake-woke radical liberal "feminists" that are really just man haters.

Till then huge majority of the so called patriarchy war crying, toxic masculinity whining, manspreading shaming contemporary killallmen or male fetus abortion 'zoking' feminists will be considered as silently working misandrists. Let their voices be heard louder than "fake-woke radical liberal "feminists""

lostapwbm · 2020-05-20T20:07:28+00:00

I think this subreddit focuses far too much on a small community of fake-woke radical liberal "feminists" that are really just man haters.

Who have been involved in feminism since its inception.

There's no value in focusing on this; it makes no progress.

I disagree. It's always helpful to know the nature of your 'allies' if only to have an approximate estimate of when they'll turn on you and how they'll do it.

Further, the constant posting of comments and memes from hateful women could solidify misogyny in men that are new to the MRA community which is awful.

Hateful women who get to be hateful without comment or even challenge from other women.

And yet...these same feminists demand that men police the speech of other men for conformity to the feminist line (women are wonderful).

Take a big whiff of that hypocrisy.

Really I just want to start a discussion about making this a bit more of an intersectional community/movement and making sure it doesn't become a hateful one

This is like an invitation to slit your own throat.

GitGudScrubzzz · 2020-05-20T18:02:03+00:00

More braindead concern trolling from the ignorant. Boring.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9v6tqj/a_list_about_feminism_misandry_for_anyone_who

tenchineuro · 2020-05-21T03:53:30+00:00

Any true MRAs or feminists should see each other as allies, fighting for everyone to be treated better.

Feminists literally wrote laws to have male DV victims of women arrested. You don't seem to realize what feminism is fighting against, it's men.

RapeMatters2 · 2020-05-20T22:01:31+00:00

I'd love that.

But I have one condition.

Stop supporting rapists by defining men raped by women out of existence. This has been a feminist project now for over 30 years, and has been largely successful, so that men raped by women by being made to penetrate aren't counted at all by most surveys, and counted only as "made to penetrate" or "sexual assault" in others.

Do this, and we can talk.

Simultanagnosia · 2020-05-21T00:01:01+00:00

Normally I would agree with these types of posts about a thread. However I think there is a fair amount of misandry dwelling at the level of the average female perspective.

Just today I opened up Facebook to see a half dozen posts about "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" from popular pages like Know Your Meme and Cheezeburger.

One of my cousins who I know to be of generally sound intellect and who shows respect for most others shared "5 deadly terms used by women" including such terms as "Fine - This is the word women use to end an argument and let you know you need to shut up."

Another cousin of mine who is also generally not a radical feminist said "We only say these things because if we are honest we get looked at like we are psycho." which makes no sense given the context of the original post but makes perfect sense in the context of a general sense of female victimization.

Catcrumble · 2020-05-21T07:41:20+00:00

Read a book, write a book, do anything. Just stop talking.

You've been given answers, now accept them and bugger off.

Title	This sub paints a black and white image of MRA and feminism that is innaccurate
Author	kramatic
Upvotes	0
Comments	58
Date	May 20, 2020 5:20 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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