About Men

Lion_amongst_gods · 2019-07-24T16:17:02+00:00

That's not the way you talk to a man or treat a man

If there's 1 sentence to take away from the passage, it's this. How many times have you heard this in your life? (I never have) Versus how many times have you heard the sentence with women instead of men? (Lost count)

crackerbox_palace · 2019-07-24T16:25:04+00:00

Exactly the opposite of what my mom thinks

darkbluexanadu · 2019-07-24T16:02:10+00:00

The original text

Boys are beautiful. They suffer the wrongs of the society too, but they are blamed for their own misery. They are never victims, always the oppressors. They are expected to be strong. They are expected to be financially stable. They are expected not to even cry. No one say "That's not the way you talk to a boy or treat a boy". They are, always, thought of as the heroes. But boy are tired of being heroes. Boy want to fail, feel hurt, get broken, give up, lose, scream, and cry in their frustration. They love their mothers, their sisters, their daughters, and their girlfriends. They struggle hard to express their love, but they silently care. Isn't that beautiful

Source of the original appears to be a twitter user called 'amit mehta' Someone has replaced 'boys' in the quote with 'men', and added some stuff at the end.

Personally I do not believe it is true that boys or men 'want to fail, feel hurt, get broken, give up, lose, scream, and cry in their frustration' It may be true that boys need to experience these things, as girls do, as part of growing up.

Of course, men may experience these things, fail, feel hurt, get broken, give up, lose, scream, and cry in our frustration - but in those circumstances surely we must start again, face setbacks, overcome injury, persist, achieve and exult in our victory.

Men, healthy men, do not desire to fail, to be broken, to cry, but it may be fair to say that when these things do happen, we desire not to be shamed, kicked while we are down, laughed at, mocked, told that we deserve no better.

azazelcrowley · 2019-07-24T21:03:39+00:00

They're not expected to be strong. They're expected to be useful tools for the ruling class and for women, and not deign to be actual people where its inconvenient. The "Strong" shit is how feminists gaslight men into thinking feminists care about mens issues, then they use that to just derail them and push female supremacy under the idea that fighting "Patriarchy" helps men.

weneedbackup32 · 2019-07-24T18:41:20+00:00

Men don't "silently care". Men care loudly and in public, when a man works his ass off to provide shelter, food, and care for their family. This is not silent, it's loud and aggressive.

Men die in war to protect the society that gives every possible chance to women at success. This is NOT silent!

Men give a care that is loud and powerful, public and convicting! Society doesn't listen when men care, they expect it, they demand it, and take it for granted.

fractalphony · 2019-07-25T02:31:20+00:00

People are hung up on the "men want to fail" thing. I DO want to fail. By failing, I KNOW, how to NOT do something. Failing is learning. Embrace failure.

Sillimant · 2019-07-24T23:26:04+00:00

You stop that, I don't need to get teary before bed

fractalphony · 2019-07-25T02:23:05+00:00

exactly *there

MBV-09-C · 2019-07-25T10:52:40+00:00

It’s not that the struggles of men are silent, they just fall on deaf ears.

StrongAffordance · 2019-07-25T01:40:07+00:00

Men don’t want to “fail, feel hurt, etc etc”. They just want to be appreciated and respected for what they do. This missed the point.

2019-07-25T17:31:49+00:00

If you're not providing for someone who doesn't love you, or dying in a war, you're not a "man" according to society. Honestly, women would kill themselves in a day, if they had to live as men for a week...

2019-07-28T20:11:03+00:00

We can end the ''want to fail'' discussion by simply interpreting ''want'' as ''want to be allowed'' which is most likely what the author meant. No one wants to fail, cry, bla, bla, bla, but we want to be allowed to. We want to be able to fail because through failure we can improve. We want to be able to cry to have an outlet on strong emotions. We want to be able to feel hurt because then we can process it and help our self. Interpreting it like that makes more sense going by the overall tone of this... article? message? whatever one would call it.

v573v · 2019-07-25T03:43:56+00:00

Yes, because men secretly want to be women, right?

No, femininity is not the ambition nor the inherent qualities or attributes of most men.

Men are masculine not because they are expected to be but because they just are and there’s nothing wrong with that. The largest cohort of men are inherently masculine and to pretend that they aren’t is cruel. Yes, there are outliers who are more like the men reflected in the sentiment above but they are not the vast majority and yes it’s cruel to enforce typical masculinity on them but is it less cruel than expecting masculine men to embrace a lifestyle which they get no internal or external rewards for?

Stop asking masculine men to be anything else than masculine but please make exceptions and afford for those men who aren’t.

TibortheChechen · 2019-07-25T03:39:30+00:00

Written by a chick.

Title	About Men
Author	jayantyk
Upvotes	578
Comments	42
Date	July 24, 2019 3:12 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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