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[–]Lethn 4 points5 points6 points (18 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (17 children) | Copy Link
Wow, that's exactly the viewpoint I am arguing against. I'm saying that women who hate men and men who hate women are equally in the wrong. Seriously, how did I try to "lecture" anyone? I think that both men and women face serious issues, as I've said. But if you want to react with anger, that's your choice
[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points (16 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link
Your anger is visceral, clearly. I really didn't come here to argue, but instead to posit the idea that men and women can talk through issues without trying to demonize the other. But apparently you want to put me into a category I didn't choose for myself. I won't do the same to you.
[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points (14 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link
"Figured you respond with that, like I said, you're smearing this sub by claiming we believe this when the majority of us don't, please don't talk shit about people unless you've got proof. It's an extremely cowardly and snivelling way of trying to label this sub and the people in it without directly calling everyone out, like calling people 'far right' who you disagree with. If you don't want me to react with 'anger' don't do it.
If you hadn't had done this I wouldn't have given a fuck, this is your problem not mine, people don't like it when you lie about them why is it so hard to understand that?"
You basically told me you were angry and reacted aggressively. Seriously, I was just trying to raise what I thought to be a reasonable point. I don't think men should demonize women and I don't think men should demonize women. The situation as it stands is wrought by hundreds of years of gender issues. I really don't know what is combative about suggesting we figure this out in a respectful way as fellow humans
[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points (12 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link
Sigh, "toxic focus on the male/female dichotomy" doesn't apply to one gender. Woman can be toxic to men and men can be toxic to women. That's the point. "We" means human beings. Damn, I'm not arguing any of these points, I'm arguing that judgement from either side of gendered concerns is toxic. Fuck, this sub seriously it's knee jerk
[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points (10 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link
I seriously was trying to start a conversation. I think you reacted the way you did because I am a woman who posted on this sub. Please understand, I'm not accusing you of sexism, but what I said was not combative or accusatory. It's just that I think that there are a lot of generalizations and anger on both sides of the gender gap. I was trying to start an intellectually honest convo. But fuck me for that, amirite?
[–]Lethn3 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[+]perplexedm1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
Your post comes with prejudiced intention that people here are toxic.
No, people here are for rights they find are lacking.
A similar post in some of so called feminine feels > facts forums may probably get you banned there. So much for toxicity.
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Can you read? I never once called this sub toxic. I just think that men and women can relate to each other's issues without judgement and with empathy. I apologise for trying to bridge the gap, Jesus
[–]perplexedm 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I've actually had very many real world convos with female friends and posted similar on other web outlets. I think that a lot of what is going on is negative to men, and I am sympathetic. That being said, I am still unwilling to jump to a misogynistic conclusion about this sub, I've never dealt with being told to "go pet my 17 cats and open another box of wine" in other forums. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I've also gotten some "lovely" messages. I just wish people would have a non-emotion fueled discussion on this topic
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I never once called any comment or call this sub toxic. I'm just honestly concerned that these issues are devolving us as a species. Men and women are equal, autonomous beings. Both suffer different issues
[–]SillySatan5250 2 points3 points4 points (12 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
Wow, I made this comment to try to prove to myself that this sub isn't misogynistic. I still don't think so, I just figure there are a few people who have a lack of grasp on the English language. I never called this sub toxic, I never insulted men, I called for unity among human beings without focusing on any "feminist" agenda.
But yeah, I'll go back to my "17 cats and box of wine". Have fun pulling on your less than impressive member in your parents basement
[+]SkankingAlong1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
You did say though "Fuck, this sub seriously it's knee jerk" that feels like an attack. Also you said you wanted "a non-emotion fueled discussion" and "the fuck this sub" Screams anger. I never usually comment on this sub. But damn people are try to tell you how your post comes across, and you are taking it personal.
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm sorry you feel that way and I wish I wouldn't have reacted to harshly. But that person called me a liar from the second I posted and repeated it several times while saying "fuck you". So yeah, my composure slipped. This was the same time that someone told me to go back to my 17 cats and box of wine. So I had many personal attacks before that
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[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Didn't call it misogynistic, in fact made a point to say that wasn't despite some pretty shitty comments/messages
[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link
Damn, I'm glad a general call for unity between genders (did you notice that I acknowledged the feminist agenda in my post) is an attack
[–]anonymous_troll 1 point2 points3 points (11 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link
Y'all is welcome to it, I'm more than out. I've had more horrifying messages sent to me that are personal attacks than I care to read. Men aren't toxic, people are people, but the anonymity of the internet is disgusting. I'll be deleting this post because I don't want to see anymore abject ugliness. I'm sure you all will applause and celebrate another "cunt" leaving your space, and I personally leave trying to avoid becoming overly jaded
[–]anonymous_troll 1 point2 points3 points (9 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link
So many others here did, most in private messages, a few in comments. So yeah, I'm disgusted. I'll leave this sub well alone and will have a very negative view of it
[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points (7 children) | Copy Link
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[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
Don't worry, I've been told to "fuck off and die", I've been told I'm "life support for a cunt", and so many more wonderful things. After my experience here, I VERY much sympathize with men's rights(read sarcasm). Which is sad, because I often pointed out issues of disparity between men and women
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[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
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[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
I don't want to take that support away, and am aware enough to know that no one can really appreciate another's situation without walking in the their shoes. And of course we can't. But I guess I am concerned about generalization. I've had plenty of terrible situations caused by men and I don't categorise them as a unit. I know the feminist culture is having it's day and I know people are taking it too far. Humanity has a tendency for a pendulum swing- one side is in power, and then the other is. I long for an intellectually honest world wherein a person can be judged on their merit, not what their genitals signify
[–]AskingToFeminists 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[+]genericname9071 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I haven't spent enough, clearly. But please understand that I've been attacked in comments and I'm some private messages for a post that was pretty innocuous. I'm sure 90% of this sub are good people, but that 10% is pretty vile. I apologise if I offended people, but I'm seriously just shocked that we can't all regard each other as human beings worthy of respect
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