There would be cases where it can be proven. For instance if I meet a girl in a club where admission is only for 21 and older and they check ID at the entrance and we have sex afterwards - if she accuses me of SR after that she must have at least lied to the bouncer.
But I get what you wanted to say - it is extremely difficult to prove under "normal" circumstances.
This is a genuine concern of mine. Back in highschool I knew girls who genuinely looked like grown women, who bragged about always getting let into clubs and bars. As an adult I've known two doormen who told me it's way more common than you'd think.
Even in that example, I'm confident you'd be convicted. The bouncer may have been negligent in not checking her ID (believing she was over 25) or failing to spot the false one presented.
However, you would still be committing Statutory Rape which usually a strict liability crime. Also as the legal adult you are held to a higher standard than her who is considered a minority.
Being hampered by intoxication is no defence either. All that matters in strict liability cases is the act. Maybe it'll help with sentencing. But not with avoiding a conviction.
(Note I'm not a lawyer or anything. This is just what I recall from examples I've heard of in the UK)
I mean...that's fraud...or at least conspiracy. If you knowingly pursue a guy, under false pretenses, into unkowingly commiting a crime, that at the very least makes you an accomplice.
Many of those girls might be listening to 'Lean In' agony aunt Sheryl Sandberg's dating advice, leaving them with a hollow soul by the time they are married. And FB as an industry will get a gold mine of information to mine in.
Ok, what I understand is a basic truism: We need to stop raising our girls like their sexuality is a marketable item.
EDIT: AND it's not how we raise our children really. It's how society views them, but we need to tell our girls it's bullshit. And tell our boys it's bullshit.
Society raised concerns against such marketing, but they get chided off or ridiculed. And then people wonder why humanity in general is not progressing in a positive manner.
I agree that jail time is too harsh. We should just let the man off if he provably thought she was of age. I mean - if she was in a bar drinking booze when she was picked up, she should get in trouble for underage drinking too.
Jail doesn't help anyone. Especially not minors. The most important thing is that they reflect and correct their behaviour. Men should also be careful. Young women are very attractive, but at some point (I'd say around mid-30s) we shouldn't date them anymore. It just doesn't work in most cases.
Good luck dating women who are in their 30's. It's severely damaged goods at every turn. At least with the women in their 20's it's only likely damaged goods.
I know what you mean ;) I've turned 40 and for me 30 years old women are perfect, though. It's not that I'm not fascinated by the beauty of youth, but I can't connect with young women anymore. The generation gap started to get noticeable a few years ago and all in all I feel more comfortable dating someone who speaks my language.
It's also a relieving feeling not having to ask yourself or them if they're old enough anymore. I've experienced that a lot up to being 25, before I've been in a long-term relationship. I was very immature at the time and it stressed me out to act more grown-up, than I felt like.
[–]Ansodyte 20 points21 points22 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Sad that’s it’s an UNpopular opinion.
[–]abatoire 9 points10 points11 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Issue with this is that it's word Vs word. So how exactly can you prove they lied? They could just claim they told you verbally one time or something.
End of the day, men are assumed guilty until vindicated. Women are assumed victims regardless to their accusations being revealed as false.
[–]jak_22 7 points8 points9 points (2 children) | Copy Link
There would be cases where it can be proven. For instance if I meet a girl in a club where admission is only for 21 and older and they check ID at the entrance and we have sex afterwards - if she accuses me of SR after that she must have at least lied to the bouncer.
But I get what you wanted to say - it is extremely difficult to prove under "normal" circumstances.
[–]Jex117 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a genuine concern of mine. Back in highschool I knew girls who genuinely looked like grown women, who bragged about always getting let into clubs and bars. As an adult I've known two doormen who told me it's way more common than you'd think.
[–]abatoire 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Even in that example, I'm confident you'd be convicted. The bouncer may have been negligent in not checking her ID (believing she was over 25) or failing to spot the false one presented.
However, you would still be committing Statutory Rape which usually a strict liability crime. Also as the legal adult you are held to a higher standard than her who is considered a minority.
Being hampered by intoxication is no defence either. All that matters in strict liability cases is the act. Maybe it'll help with sentencing. But not with avoiding a conviction.
(Note I'm not a lawyer or anything. This is just what I recall from examples I've heard of in the UK)
Always be sure.
[–]TruthGetsBanned 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
No no, rapist, men are always guilty and women always innocent vicitms. #metoo
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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean...that's fraud...or at least conspiracy. If you knowingly pursue a guy, under false pretenses, into unkowingly commiting a crime, that at the very least makes you an accomplice.
[–]nonamenoslogans2 7 points8 points9 points (7 children) | Copy Link
Well they aren't adults. So demanding jail is maybe harsh.
Meanwhile, not throwing men in jail who fall for their lies is more something that is more towards justice.
Those girls need to understand they are more than just pussy though.
Many of the things we go through as men are directly related to how women have also been brought up to think they are disposable.
[–]perplexedm[S] 3 points4 points5 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Many of those girls might be listening to 'Lean In' agony aunt Sheryl Sandberg's dating advice, leaving them with a hollow soul by the time they are married. And FB as an industry will get a gold mine of information to mine in.
[–]nonamenoslogans2 2 points3 points4 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Im not familiar, can you give a short synopsis of what youre talking about?
[–]perplexedm[S] 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
old post, yet give some idea: https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/27szuq/what_do_you_think_of_ceo_sheryl_sandbergs_advice/
It is not about underage girls, but it puts immature girls those read such advice in a tempting position that they can squander off their self worth.
[–]nonamenoslogans2 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok, what I understand is a basic truism: We need to stop raising our girls like their sexuality is a marketable item.
EDIT: AND it's not how we raise our children really. It's how society views them, but we need to tell our girls it's bullshit. And tell our boys it's bullshit.
[–]perplexedm[S] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Society raised concerns against such marketing, but they get chided off or ridiculed. And then people wonder why humanity in general is not progressing in a positive manner.
[–]Hadashi_blacksky 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree that jail time is too harsh. We should just let the man off if he provably thought she was of age. I mean - if she was in a bar drinking booze when she was picked up, she should get in trouble for underage drinking too.
[–]ThePigmanAgain 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
LOL!
[–]blueteamk087 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh totally agree; especially when it’s an underage girl in a location where you have to be carded (club or bar)
[–]con_ker 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Womanterpreting: a woman's implicit bias against accountability.
[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Agree 110%
[–]K-Dave -3 points-2 points-1 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Jail doesn't help anyone. Especially not minors. The most important thing is that they reflect and correct their behaviour. Men should also be careful. Young women are very attractive, but at some point (I'd say around mid-30s) we shouldn't date them anymore. It just doesn't work in most cases.
[–]chadwickofwv 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Good luck dating women who are in their 30's. It's severely damaged goods at every turn. At least with the women in their 20's it's only likely damaged goods.
[–]K-Dave -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
I know what you mean ;) I've turned 40 and for me 30 years old women are perfect, though. It's not that I'm not fascinated by the beauty of youth, but I can't connect with young women anymore. The generation gap started to get noticeable a few years ago and all in all I feel more comfortable dating someone who speaks my language.
It's also a relieving feeling not having to ask yourself or them if they're old enough anymore. I've experienced that a lot up to being 25, before I've been in a long-term relationship. I was very immature at the time and it stressed me out to act more grown-up, than I felt like.