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Let's talk about the mental load

Gambizzle

September 14, 2017
50 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2017-09-14/the-mental-load-and-what-to-do-about-it/8942032
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Title Let's talk about the mental load
Author

Gambizzle

Upvotes 50
Comments 10
Date September 14, 2017 9:05 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7012c8/lets_talk_about_the_mental_load/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/lets-talk-about-the-mental-load.914358
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[–]Gambizzle[S] 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I thought the men could have a talk about the 'mental load' instead of being talked at in a condescending tone.

The mental load includes the planning work required to ensure the children make it to Bollywood dancing, the refrigerator is stocked for dinner and the smoke detector battery gets replaced. It's incessant, gnawing and exhausting, and disproportionately falls to women.

Does it though? I mean, can the majority of woman in this world put their hand on their heart and say they help with:
- Fixing technology when it breaks
- Home renovations
- Physical tasks
- Driving on long trips
- Talking through masses of emotions in a logical manner while hiding your own
- Being the 'tough guy' when the family gets screwed, or when there's conflict
- Managing the bills
- Cooking
- Cleaning

I think the problem with feminist arguments like this one is that they are self-fulfilling and don't give men one inch! They assume that all men are lazy bastards who do nothing and throw all the work at their wives. Women never do this. And oh... because women (potentially) over-estimate/over-value their work.

The telling tale of this 'article' is that women sure don't appreciate the work of their male partners. IMO that's something in itself.

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Part of what you're missing is that women (not all, but for the most part), will still see things that the man does as "part of her load", because they can't let go and trust that the man in her life is an adult that can do things for himself. Plus, lots and lots of women want things done exactly the way they want them done, and if it's not done her way, it's still not done.

So, either women don't ask for help and feel like they are doing it all, or they do "ask" (more like tell you) to do things, but they want it done a specific way.

[–]reddituser257 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Plus, lots and lots of women want things done exactly the way they want them done, and if it's not done her way, it's still not done.

This is so true, most of my gf's were like that.

[–]Gambizzle[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I say this not to attack, but to highlight that this can be the single biggest contributor to the 'mental load', a lack of trust, combined with an obsession with 'supervising'.

IMO most personalities (men and women) lean towards either doing or supervising. I'm a doer, so I guess I'm biased here. However, I find that supervsiors are usually the ones losing it while doers just block out all the stresses and focus on the task at hand. Also, I find that supervisors take absolutely no criticism because they always put themselves in the 'boss' shoes.

Generally in relationships I find there is no supervision necessary and (despite their constant assertions about doing everything), the supervisor won't be helping unless they are doing. I come from a family of doers (including a lot of hard working women) so I don't really get supervisors. If partners supervise too much, I start calling them 'boss' as a joke and they usually get out of my face eventually.

[–]BloodFartTheQueefer 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I've had to point this out to my GF

[–]Swiss_Cheese9797 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget the spider-gap

[–]Sasha_ 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Also, who built the house, maintains the road, made the car, made the fridge, brought the fridge over from China, installed (and invented) the plumbing etc.? In my experience most 'women's work' is fictitious tasks. I once dated a girl who had a 'winter, spring, summer' wardrobe and and so three times a year I had to shift boxes into and out of the attic.

Men don't do that do they? I just change my coat.

[–]Dank_Meems 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It must be hard being lied to your whole life and then trying to figure out how the world actually works in your late 20's early 30's. Us men are fortunate enough to start getting shit on at a young age to build up a thick skin to it, and move on with our lives.

[–]Mens-Advocate 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Society and women require men to sustain the "mental load" of supporting himself, his spouse, multiple children in luxury; supporting them from the grave (life insurance); defending them even at his own risk; often, assuming responsibility for all financial matters; often, assuming responsibility for all difficult, heavy, or exposed (outdoors) aspects of maintaining a home for the family.

This mental load puts men to death 5 years earlier than women. It is shocking that neither society nor women seem to give a damn.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Soon as i saw this headline at the ABC a few minutes ago, i knew they were going to whine that it's mostly a female problem. Needless to say, i didn't read the stupid thing. We really need to shut down the ABC, it's nothing but pseudo-leftist propaganda being financed by people most of whom don't even agree with it! We can get that at The Guardian without paying for it!

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