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"Andy Murray corrects journalist's 'casual sexism' - BBC News" - When talking about to a Men's Tennis player about Men's Tennis, you are sexist if you don't include Women's Tennis.

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July 12, 2017
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http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-40589164/andy-murray-corrects-journalist-s-casual-sexism
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Title "Andy Murray corrects journalist's 'casual sexism' - BBC News" - When talking about to a Men's Tennis player about Men's Tennis, you are sexist if you don't include Women's Tennis.
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Upvotes 38
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Date July 12, 2017 11:42 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6mxvvl/andy_murray_corrects_journalists_casual_sexism/
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[+][deleted] 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Volvic2 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are so right. It gets on my nerves seeing all the stuff in social media praising him for this.

[–]tapperyaus 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't spin the article, he was correct in bringing up women's tennis.

[–]KDulius 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Eh, sorta.

I mean, it's pretty clear that in context they are talking about mens tennis to a male tennis player. Bringing up women just seems like virtue signalling.

[–]tapperyaus 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If i was in the same position i would've mentioned it.

[–]JakeDC 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. The reporter spoke of tennis players broadly. He rightly corrected the reporter. That's it.

[–]50PercentLies 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This title is misleading though. I don't think being as specific as Murray seems to want is necessary, but it's not a big deal for him to point it out. People do pay less attention to women's tennis since the William's sisters have become less consistent (side note go Venus keep on stomping those kids)

[–]MexicanTeenGuy 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's wrong with what he did ?

[–]ThePigmanAgain 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

What a pussified little bitch. Murray, not the journalist.

[–]Daemonicus 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Did he say anything that was incorrect?

[–]ThePigmanAgain 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No, but his pointing it out has White Knighting written all over it.

[–]ho-tron 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Murray is famously a contrarian, and dismissive of journalists. Just pointing out an error is probably his way of getting one over on the (American) journalist.

[–]Daemonicus 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't really go that far. It's relevant to say that US women have made it that far, and that the stat the journalist quoted, isn't accurate.

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[–]JakeDC 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Just to be a contrarian...

Women and men often play the same sport - soccer, basketball, track and field, fighting of various kinds, etc. When this is the case, it is also true that the women's versions are played by athletes that are weaker, slower, smaller, have less enduarance, etc. than their male counterparts. This is not sexism. It is biology, and it is verifiable. The higher up you go within the various sports, the wider the athleticism gap becomes.

This is not to say that women should not have the opportunity to play sports. Of course they should. But when you are talking about presenting sporting events to the general public, it makes sense that folks typically prefer to see the sports they enjoy being played by the best athletes possible, not games that are, by comparison, Junior Varsity. It isn't hate, it is just reality. To the general public, many male fights will be more appealing and compelling than a women's title fight. To call that sexism is a reach. In some cases, sure. But it is more a result of athleticism and the inferior nature of the games, bouts, etc.

I typically don't watch the WNBA. This is not because I am sexist. It is because it isn't even close to being as compelling, athletic, etc. as men's basketball, even at the collegiate level. It is odd to expect me to act as if this isn't the case.

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[–]JakeDC 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I mostly agree. I guess I step off when you say that women's title fights should be given preference over male fights that are not. I see the logic, but I still think the order should be a function of which fights are more compelling to the audience. That logic might result in a preference for the women's fights, but it might not.

[–]dungone 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh come on, that just sounds like something that any self-respecting passive-aggressive British tennis player would say in order to downplay his opponent's win.

[–]thrway_1000 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/eMwYb

[–]DarkCircle 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The buzz about this is ridiculous. As if he whipped out a copy of the scum manifesto and cock slapped the guy.

In the context of speaking to a male player about what he does, it is obvious he is talking about male tennis. What is Murray gonna say about the women's game? Why would they be talking to him about his game in reference to women's achievements? If he was talking to Serena, I'd not expect her to reference the men's game. There was nothing sexist about what the reporter said.

Murry cleared the ambiguity, that's all. People are acting like he checked every single persons privilege, and then castrated them.

[–]JohnKimble111 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Seeing as his mother is calling him "my boy" isn't that sexist in itself? If it's against the rules to refer to women as "girls" then the same applies here surely?

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