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11 dead from botched circumcisions in South Africa

throwaway32189

July 8, 2017
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/r/MensRights
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Title 11 dead from botched circumcisions in South Africa
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throwaway32189

Upvotes 64
Comments 22
Date July 8, 2017 6:23 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6m2jrt/11_dead_from_botched_circumcisions_in_south_africa/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/11-dead-from-botched-circumcisions-in-south-africa.918567
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Comments

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is in a single province in South Africa. Apparently over 70 boys died last year in circumcision ceremonies in this one province. Something people should be aware of, especially the "FGM is so much worse because girls actually die from it" people. They will always compare US circumcision to African FGM, and completely ignore African circumcision. Not surprising though because human rights organizations seem to ignore the existence of African circumcision as well.

[–]Taxus_Calyx 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If female circumcisions were done with western medical standards, the girl victims would survive as often as baby boy victims in western countries.

[–]Burninglegion65 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

To be fair: these circumcisions are performed not on children but I think 18 year olds. It’s their coming of age ceremony. To be a real man you must go through the whole ritual. It’s supposed to hurt. They also don’t drink water for a day or two (been a long time since I have discussed this). It’s more informed than doing it to a baby.

[–]BaileysBaileys 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's indeed fair to say as I always say 'boys should have the chance to decide for themselves when they are 18' and now I'm still not happy. Because 18 is still very young and if there's group pressure ('you need to do this to be a man') then of course still it is a case of abuse, taking advantage of vulnerable young people.

(P.S. I'm not at all thinking you disagree with that, just adding to your comment)

[–]Burninglegion65 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nonono. I’m glad you added that. I agree more from the group pressure place than the age place though. If you can allow 18 year olds to get great implants you can allow them to get circumcised of their own volition. Funnily enough the class where fgm was introduced it was in a similar situation - 18+ year old women choosing to do it to become a woman. Only men are cut here though.

[–]Vandechoz 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

18 for the coming of age ceremony in backwater Africa? that's surprising, I thought they started those rituals younger

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

They use third world medical procedures. Of course, this is expected. It's not acceptable, but it's not shocking.

[+]torrentialtorsion points 9 years ago [recovered] (14 children) | Copy Link

Rape and mutilation is not medical.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Until it's deemed illegal under the law, circumcision is a medical procedure.

[–]TTCMNYFC 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Rape and mutilation are not medical.

Call it whatever disgusting euphemism you want. But it's not legal.

Stop lying and supporting MGM with this bullshite.

[+]CurlyWLV points 9 years ago [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

It's a medical procedure until deemed otherwise by a legal authority. You can have your opinion, but it's just that, an opinion.

[–]TTCMNYFC 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Objective fact is not opinion.

Get fucked apologists.

"Yes , it is Rape and sexual assault and battery ,sexual mutilation as well .Here's the Federal definition of "Rape" for the law 10 US code S 920 Art 120 for all those in denial of equal rights for males in this .

(a)Rape.—Any person subject to this chapter who commits a sexual act upon another person by— (1) using unlawful force against that other person; (2) using force causing or likely to cause death or grievous bodily harm to any person; (3) threatening or placing that other person in fear that any person will be subjected to death, grievous bodily harm, or kidnapping; (4) first rendering that other person unconscious; or (5) administering to that other person by force or threat of force, or without the knowledge or consent of that person, a drug, intoxicant, or other similar substance and thereby substantially impairing the ability of that other person to appraise or control conduct; is guilty of rape and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct "

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Objective fact is not opinion.

You are speaking your opinion. You said it's "not legal" to perform MGM, but it very much is. If it wasn't, then we'd have an easy as fuck solution to the problem. Reporting them to the police for breaking the law.

But they aren't, even if it's morally reprehensible to perform MGM on infants for no valid medical reason. You can frame it as "rape and mutilation" all you want, but it's not seen that way by the law. And therefore it is very much legal.

That is objective fact. If you're so confident in your claim it is illegal, then by all means. Try to bring criminal charges on everyone performing it. Good luck, because you will find that you're incorrect.

[–]free_man_forever -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Rape and mutilation are not legal.

It is seen that way by law, it's the sick fucking CULTure that turns a blind eye.

Just like taxation is theft, they'll take everything from you if you left them.

riseup

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You'll find circumcision is very much legal, dear. Which is why it's a problem to being with. If it were already illegal, then there'd be no issue to discuss. But it isn't. Reality has escaped you. Bye now.

[–]free_man_forever -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Circumphile detected.

Rape, mutilation, and grievous bodily harm aren't legal ;)

[+]CurlyWLV points 9 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Again, if it were rape, people would be prosecuted. They're not because it's a medical procedure.

Cuss and get upset all you want, but the fact is, circumcision is not an offense by the standard of the law.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I guess by your logic, FGM wasn't wrong until the moment it became illegal in 1997

[+]CurlyWLV points 9 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Logic doesn't matter when it comes to fact vs. fiction. This entire convo, I've never said whether I agree with it or not, but only that while it's a legal procedure, it's still considered a medical procedure.

Fact: FGM was a medical procedure until 1996, regardless of your opinion.

Fact: Circumcision is currently a medical procedure, regardless of your opinion.

In short, you can claim rape or mutilation, or whatever, but the fact of the matter is it's still widely accepted. I'm circumcised, and my son was completed when he was born. Call me what you will, but I don't regret it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why did you cut your son? Why did you even mention you cut him...

Also logic doesn't matter? You wut mate?

[+]terablear points 9 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

what has this got to do with white mens right?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk maybe because we do men's rights, not [skin color] men's rights only ?

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