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Student Agreed to Orgy, But Later Called It Sexual Assault, Lawsuit Claims

DGAgainstDV

June 16, 2017
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/r/MensRights
http://reason.com/archives/2017/06/15/student-agreed-to-orgy-but-later-called
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Title Student Agreed to Orgy, But Later Called It Sexual Assault, Lawsuit Claims
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DGAgainstDV

Upvotes 98
Comments 15
Date June 16, 2017 1:05 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6hme4p/student_agreed_to_orgy_but_later_called_it_sexual/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/student-agreed-to-orgy-but-later-called-it-sexual.920308
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Comments

[–]mwobuddy 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A threesome is hardly an orgy.

[–]TeflonPantSuit 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

If she was on pain killers and alcohol she was not legally able to give consent. LPT: if a girl is fucked up on drugs and alcohol, don't gang bang her.

[–]JakeDC 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You are correct about the consent issue. The story indicates that the men did not know that she took pain killers and had consumed alcohol. She was not showing signs of intoxication, and everything she did and said indicated consent. So while your LPT is good, it doesn't look like the men knew - or could have known - that they violated it. But they can be found guilty of rape anyway, because she could not have consented legally. The situation is shitty.

[–]thesquataholic 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My opinion: Why is it a man's problem to determine what she took? You are still a responsible adult, in control of your actions and their consequences. I am talking about someone still functioning and awake here.

[–]Tedesche 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Just because your judgment is impaired doesn't mean you're powerless and therefore cannot consent. She clearly did consent. She just regretted it later and saw an opportunity under current college policies to act on that regret. Personally, think this is a perfect example of how the expansion of definitions for sexual assault and affirmative consent are convincing women to think that them not liking a sexual encounter = rape.

[–]Tedesche 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree—/u/teflonpantsuit is not right about the consent issue. Being drunk/high in and of itself does not negate one's ability to consent to sex. Being so inebriated that you're basically passing out and only semi-conscious certainly does, it that was clearly not the case here.

His LPT is only wise in that, in today's political/legal climate, it's a stupid risk for a guy to take, having sex with a heavily inebriated girl—but it shouldn't be.

[–]KDulius 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If I had taken pain pills and booze, got in my car and run someone over I'd still be responsible for my choices

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LPT: tell your sons when they go to college to video everything, give breathalyzers, drug screen, and check the ID of ANY woman they are in privacy with

[–]Apexbreed 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on her level of intoxication. No law says that any amount of intoxication nullifies one's ability to consent to sex or else %90+ of the adult population would be rapists and rape victims. The intoxication has to be to the level of inability to make a decision to consent (a completely subjective standard). I've had alcohol and pain meds before and was not at the point of even feeling slightly drunk. This case could really go either way

[–]mwobuddy 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Now you know where 1 in 4 rape stats come from.

[–]Apexbreed 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That would be 4 out of 4 of all adults I know. I don't think I know an adult who hasn't had sex while intoxicated.

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically. That's the problem with consent. It is a legal/technical fiction.

[–]Nobodyknowsthetruth 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone know why Pierce Harlan doesn't post here anymore?

[–]UDT22 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my another regret sex story. They just keep on coming

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