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A user on r/daddit posted a picture of the covers of a magazine called "Parents". Guess which parent gets most of the covers?

Kizrock94

January 10, 2017
33 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.reddit.com/r/daddit/comments/5myr15/parents/
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Title A user on r/daddit posted a picture of the covers of a magazine called "Parents". Guess which parent gets most of the covers?
Author

Kizrock94

Upvotes 33
Comments 18
Date January 10, 2017 4:13 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5n2u60/a_user_on_rdaddit_posted_a_picture_of_the_covers/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/a-user-on-rdaddit-posted-a-picture-of-the-covers.934325
https://theredarchive.com/post/934325
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Comments

[–]William__F0ster 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

And this surprises you why?

If you think about who the likely majority of their readership are, this feels like a bit of a stretch as something to get wound up about.

[–]BDMR_lurker 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Then again, maybe there's a reason they don't attract male readership...

[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

... maybe there's a reason they don't attract male readership...

Well, you're welcome to believe that of course.

But I feel it my duty to point out that if you believe that few if any fathers buy that magazine because there are mainly or even only women on the cover, then it sounds like it would kind of behoove you to have to support the argument for legislating 50:50 parity in men:women in politicians, CEOS, scientists, IT workers and so on on the grounds that there would be more women in those professions, but they are deterred from going into those careers because it seems so overwhelmingly male.

And again, it's a point of view and you're welcome to it but ...

[–]BDMR_lurker 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

then it sounds like it would kind of behoove

No it doesn't, but I distinctly hear the rustling of straw in your argument.

Looking at Parents' website: I don't care about the 9 crazy ways my breasts change during pregnancy, or whether pregnancy-induced stress is harmful or helpful.

As a man, I'm not really interested in a magazine geared towards women. Not unexpected.

And yes, there are articles about child rearing. Without a single male in the pictures. Which is not the way I raise my kids, so, not for me.

[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

... I distinctly hear the rustling of straw in your argument.

Then your hearing is deceiving you.

A strawman would be if I attributed an argument to you that you hadn't made that and then critiqued that and not the argument you had actually made.

If you feel I committed a fallacy, then you should have gone for a false equivalence if anything.

But to be fair it wasn't.

You clearly implied that more men might read the magazine if men were represented more often in the imagery.

Switch out 'men' for 'women' in the previous statement and 'Parents magazine cover' for 'jobs in STEM etc.' and you arrive at essentially one of the same arguments made by feminists for why there is a dearth of women in e.g. computer science or parliament.

I get that you won't like that, but I'm just suggesting there is a clear parallel between the two arguments - the one you implied in your comment and the one made in favour of legislating for 50:50 parity in certain key professions (which is why it's not a strawman at all, but could be accused of being a false equivalence).

As a man, I'm not really interested in a magazine geared towards women. Not unexpected.

You are aware this was exactly the original point I made, more or less anyway, and the one your comment queried?

[–]BDMR_lurker 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A strawman would be if I attributed

then again I did not denounce a strawman.

you arrive at essentially one of the same arguments made by feminists

No. My contention is that Parents publishes articles addressing mothers and children, but rarely fathers, hence the lack of male readership.

The job-market equivalent would be that STEM fields (or politics) open positions for men (obviously not for children) and not women, hence the lack of female applicants.

[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I did not denounce a straw man.

Oh, mate ...

I distinctly hear the rustling of straw in your argument

[–]BDMR_lurker 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You are making my point.

And not answering the argument.

[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever dude ... seriously ...

[–]Meyright -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Would you say the same about a videogame which advertises with a sexy slim women on its "cover"?

[–]BDMR_lurker 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Videogames never claimed to be inclusive, it's an explicitely segmented market.

Whereas Parents usually means father & mother.

.

And to answer your question, sexy women covers usually attract a male audience, so no, obviously, I wouldn't say the same.

[–]Kizrock94[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, if it was named "Parent" then sure. But with an added "s" then they can at least give a 4-6 representation. But nope, no fathers here.

[–]Halafax 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Realistically, who is buying this magazine? They will focus their content to women, because they don't expect men to buy.

Same issue with many commercials- if it's not a car or a beer, odds are they don't care about men.

Not that this isn't an issue, but it's a well-nigh unsolvable issue.

[–]Sasha_ 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, and don't get me started on P&G's 'Thank You Mom' campaigns; they don't even make sense because I've always been the one who buys detergent because I do the online shopping.

[–]Kyokenshin 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And someone didn't bother looking at the comments at all before posting this. A piece of insight from /u/TBoneTheOriginal

I'm in marketing, and I'm honestly not offended by this. It isn't a matter of excluding dads as though they're less of a parent. It's a matter of target market. I'd bet you dads are significantly less likely to buy a magazine for parenting tips. Add that to the fact that men are less likely to be at the grocery stores that sell this magazine. This isn't sexist, it's just statistics. So obviously they're going to put more women on the cover because the most likely buyer, aka the magazine's bread and butter, is more likely to pick it up when they see something they subconsciously connect with. The only reason June 2016 has a dad on it is because he's a celebrity. And shocker, women are more likely to care about celebrity gossip too. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion. I'm even a /r/mensrights contributor. I just don't think this is a good example of men being ignored in a world where we are constantly ignored for much shittier reasons.

TL;DR - this isn't sexist, it's just target marketing.

[–]Swordfish101101[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No! It isn't sexist at all, that's because there are no fathers in the home for any length of time and represents the sickening state of the U.S. and it's mindless, feminist and degenerate state; mothers kick fathers out of the home with false accusations when they get bored with and they can't get all that free money (ie men's taxes) if there is a man in the home and besides a father in the home gets in the way of mommy's whore lifestyle. U.S. women have rejected men and fathers and who gives a fuck what the child wants? Mommy is a CHILD herself and what she wants is all that matters.

[–]GunOfSod 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is the target market less likely to buy when both father's and mothers are represented on the covers?

[–]Imnotmrabut -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me guess - the White Middle Class Anglo Saxon Protestant Types?

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