Can feminist men open up a useful dialogue with men's rights activists?

Lethn · 2016-11-26T18:51:35+00:00

Let them figure it out. Let them be allies. Or better yet, turncoats.

I'm presuming it's a woman writing this, it's pretty funny, just like every fucking one of these man-haters we've seen, even the ones coming on here, they start out trying to 'sound' reasonable and open-minded but they immediately become hostile the moment they're faced with opinions they don't like.

Then there's this whole fucking thing they do where like that bitch who came along recently talking about how much she cared about equal rights and men then immediately ranted about 'toxic masculinity'. It's not just MRAs that feminists need to convince they actually care about other people, it's everybody, so long as they continually keep demonise men for how they were fucking born they will be stopped at every turn and I almost certainly will be responsible for helping make that happen.

This writer is just another one of those fucking man-haters trying to act like she's a reasonable human being and then failing miserably on the first line, watching these fanatics trying to compromise now they've realised they're losing is a fucking joke.

GOINGforwardornot · 2016-11-26T18:52:04+00:00

Try going over to feminist subreddits. If you say anything that they disagree with, they will censor it and ban you. Their definition of a useful dialogue is when they talk and you listen. Does Men's Rights censor or ban Feminist? I'm asking I'm not sure. Yesterday I got censored then banned at AskFeminist for merely asking if they would censor and ban me.

GOINGforwardornot · 2016-11-26T18:59:22+00:00

A friend of mine (username: GaffyMcguckin, go read his submissions) and me, attempted a little experiment yesterday. First he was banned at purple pill debate for posting irrefutable info. He is already banned at all the other feminist subreddits. He asked me to go to a few feminist subreddits to find out if I would get censored or banned for merely asking whether I would get cesored or banned. At AskFeminist, I got censored and banned. At 2x my post asking whether they would remove my post was deleted. So feminist have no interest in a discussion. They merely want to spout propaganda.

2016-11-26T18:50:39+00:00

Toysoldier: No, feminist men can’t have a useful dialogue with men’s rights activists

[Feminist men] tend to take feminist ideals and theories more seriously than feminist women, often out of a need to prove they are not faking their support. The result is that they are less likely than their female counterparts to accept any non-feminist perspectives, especially any men’s rights position.

Also discussed here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5aqmfe/no_feminist_men_cant_have_a_useful_dialogue_with/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5acfs3/can_feminist_men_open_up_a_useful_dialogue_with/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5afb02/can_feminist_men_open_up_a_useful_dialogue_with/

mochacola · 2016-11-26T19:08:31+00:00

rg57 · 2016-11-26T19:10:55+00:00

the view that the dialogue [The Red Pill] opens up is a useful one is hard to defend

Based on that comment, I'm gonna go ahead and say "no"

But it would have been "no" anyway. Just as there is no dialog with someone who believes in whatever religion, there can be no dialog with someone who has accepted a movement that defines ALL men as privileged, that names equality "for women".

The only useful 2-person dialog is for people who have kept their label, but have already left, and are seeking permission, in effect, to go public. They're looking for that fact, or that event, something they can answer with as to why they left the great idea of feminism.

Of course, that doesn't negate dialog for an audience. There are always observers who have not made up their mind. That's who the dialog is really for.

SRSLovesGawker · 2016-11-27T05:06:18+00:00

Enh... it's really hard to see how feminist men can do much of anything useful. Yes, I know that seems like merely knee-jerk demagoguery, but I actually do think it's true from an entirely pragmatic perspective.

Feminist men are routinely ignored, marginalized or otherwise considered inferior and subordinate to their own self-identified group. It's hard to see how even the most earnest of their lot could achieve any sort of cachet with their own "side" when their side barely tolerates their presence.

thrway_1000 · 2016-11-26T18:47:28+00:00

https://archive.is/V4m2c

Adanu0 · 2016-11-26T20:43:32+00:00

That entire article is tone policing groupthink. No thanks, Ashley.

NibblyPig · 2016-11-26T22:17:50+00:00

In my experience nobody at all can have a useful dialogue about anything related to men's rights, because feelings and anecdotal evidence are all that is required to validate your proof 100% and anyone speaking against it is invalidating a person's feelings which is such asshole behaviour as to be basically be a crime.

2016-11-27T01:51:46+00:00

I see the tables have turned.

ThePigmanAgain · 2016-11-27T02:40:40+00:00

I don't know, can the KKK and the average black man get along? Probably not.

P.S

For the obtuse, the feminists are the Klan and we are the black dudes.

2016-11-28T13:48:13+00:00

Can femenist men open up a useful* diogue with men's rights activists?

*To women

DavidByron2 · 2016-11-30T05:34:07+00:00

InBaggingArea · 2016-11-26T18:36:56+00:00

Yes. If they want to. But why would the strong seek terms with the weak?

Title	Can feminist men open up a useful dialogue with men's rights activists?
Author	bestbelievedlie14
Upvotes	17
Comments	24
Date	November 26, 2016 4:53 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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