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B.C. man loses bid to recover $17,000 engagement ring he gave to then-fiancée before abrupt break up

chmbrs

November 15, 2016
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/r/MensRights
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/b-c-man-loses-bid-to-recover-17000-engagement-ring-he-gave-to-then-fiancee-before-abrupt-break-up
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Title B.C. man loses bid to recover $17,000 engagement ring he gave to then-fiancée before abrupt break up
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chmbrs

Upvotes 18
Comments 16
Date November 15, 2016 4:31 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5d3fc5/bc_man_loses_bid_to_recover_17000_engagement_ring/
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Comments

[–]BDMR_lurker 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

TL;DR: man gets played like a fiddle, pays for 17k ring and 85k mortgage within 3 months of meeting woman.

And then gets dumped.

Woman claims 'abuse', judges finds "that it is not obvious that the gift carried with it the implied term that it was intended to be revocable if the marriage did not take place.”

.

So there: buy 'em gifts, just not expensive. They're empowered, strong womynz, they can buy the top-shelf stuff for themselves.

Or more seriously: do people really see a future in an endeavour where one party carries the whole of the risk, and the other stands for the whole of the reward? Seriously?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

"that it is not obvious that the gift carried with it the implied term that it was intended to be revocable if the marriage did not take place.”

A wedding/engagement ring is a gift in contemplation of marriage, if the marriage doesn't happen... why would any woman be able to legally keep it? Especially when she's the one that ends everything.

How silly.

[–]BDMR_lurker 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The judge's opinion is that wedding can be substracted from the ring as money can be substracted from the man.

The ring has no moral value.

Except of course in the US, where buying a ring before bringing up prenups is ground for throwing them out. Because then the ring has value as a moral contract.

Gynocentrism is indeed mysterious.

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I didn't know that. Fascinating.

[–]BDMR_lurker 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The woman's council will contend that the prenup was signed under duress, specifically under the threat of cancelling a wedding that the man was morally commited to, as evidenced by the ring.

Actually, just talking to friends about a possible wedding has been considered as proof of such commitment, or 'commitment blackmail'.

"Talking to friends" possibly interpreted as "not actively denying when only half of the couple is doing the talking".

Yeah, that's fucked up.

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This sort of information should probably be included in consent classes, if we're going to have them at all.

[–]n0ahbody 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If you must get married, despite all the evidence that it has become the worst idea you could ever have, buy her a cubic zirconia ring. She won't know until she divorces you and tries to sell it. You'll have a good chuckle imagining the horror on her face. She might even get arrested for attempted fraud! LOL

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you must get married, despite all the evidence that it has become the worst idea you could ever have, buy her a cubic zirconia ring.

Set a price for all associated costs, rings, wedding, honeymoon etc. and show her how all the money is being spent, with you making the decisions after listening to her opinions. Run your family the same way. Be a man, wear the trousers.

[–]n0ahbody 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The government won't let you wear the trousers. You get arrested for being a man. This isn't the 1950s. Your advice is worthless today.

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You get arrested for being a man.

It seems to me that you get arrested on charges of being a man for the offence of not being one. e.g. You get divorce raped if you fail to stand up for yourself over a long period of time on the charge of being abusive to the other.

[–]EarlWaltheof 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The guy is no doubt a feminized sucker; a fucking door mat. Hope he learned his lesson, but somehow I doubt it. MGTOW.

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It was all gifts, and I think legally there's nothing to do, but it is also abusive to use people like that.

[–]Machnow -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

mistake 1: he asked her to marry him mistake 2: he gave her a ring

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn't the purpose of an engagement ring to signify your intentions to commit? If you're not going to marry anymore then wouldn't the right thing be returned to the person who gave it to you??

Jesus people. Its as if we need to start beating sense into women again. Left to their own devices, we're all fucked.

[–]chmbrs 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's an engagement ring not a Pandora bracelet. Not so sure on the beating part....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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