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False Allegations of Abuse Target Men in Divorce.

morehousse

October 16, 2016
61 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/false-allegations-of-abus_b_8578086
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Title False Allegations of Abuse Target Men in Divorce.
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morehousse

Upvotes 61
Comments 14
Date October 16, 2016 4:11 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/57pvdm/false_allegations_of_abuse_target_men_in_divorce/
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[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In fact, up to 70 percent of cases involving allegations of abuse during custody disputes are deemed unnecessary or false.

Just want to point this part out.

What this article also has are things you can do when you find yourself in such a situation. This is a surprising piece from HuffPo.

[–]ThirdTurnip 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It isn't just custody battles either. A woman who sexually harassed me and who I took to court over that got an AVO out against me to 'prove' what a monster I was.

She created a hotmail account under my name and sent herself a series of death rape threat emails. That's all it took.

The judge accepted her story that she received these threatening emails, printed them and then immediately deleted them. That's why police couldn't investigate and she had to apply for a protection order instead.

Except the police did eventually investigate and prove she fabricated them. She confessed to that as well.

She also applied for a domestic violence order against me but I think her interactions with the police discouraged her from following through. Me being gay, suing her for sexual harassment and her not even being able to provide an accurate description of me (couldn't even get skin or eye colour right) made them more than a little bit dubious about her claim that we'd had a relationship.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"No such thing as a false accusation. Always listen and believe when a woman makes an accusation".

[–]TheHawk71 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Completely disgusting the way those things are abused, and there is never a negative consequence for filling a false protective order. Until people (mostly women) are held accountable for perjury in these cases or until they can't be introduced in family court the abuse will continue. It's like handing women a loaded gun in divorce cases and allowing them to fire it without penalty.

[–]ThirdTurnip 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

IMO what's needed are two separate classes of protection orders.

Precautionary but no blame ones which don't require the applicant to really prove anything. Provided adhering to the order wouldn't make the other party suffer and it isn't absolutely clear that the application is malicious then they should be awarded. But having been awarded doesn't prove anything about the target of the order. At all.

A more criminal class of protection order with an appropriately higher criminal burden of proof.

[–]TheHawk71 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hear you. The problem is that no blame will still lead to a perception that the person under the order has committed some kind of wrong. There should be one kind of order, in my opinion, and it should only be awarded when there is actual evidence of a threat. If that were the standard, we'd see at least a 90% drop in restraining orders. They're all kind of silly really, the kind of person who's violent won't let an order stop them from committing violence.

[–]Xristos_Xristos_III 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Anyone else think it might be significant that this is being reported in the Huff. Po.?

protection orders that are meant to offer protection for those in serious situations are now being used as a weapon to turn the tide in divorce; a weapon that overwhelming targets men.

I mean, that line alone is not something I've generally associated with Huff. Po. editorial lines until very recently.

What I'm trying to suggest is that there might be something of a shift happening and that after all the abuse and scorn, some more social justice and feminist-leaning outlets might just be starting to take this kind of thing more seriously.

Or is that overly optimistic?

[–]JonathonWally 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe they're just trying to cover for their "diversity photo" and do a token article.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's weird how we live in a patriarchy and women are oppressed by men in all ways yet the law enables them to casually hurt men like this. But not the other way around.

[–]allowsnackbar 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I get the impression that some of the more intelligent feminists are sensing that their favorable legal position is starting to come into question.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"HuffingtonPost.in"?

[–]Mandarni -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My girlfriend was being harassed by her husband when she was seeking a divorce (he even falsely accused me of sexually assaulting my girlfriends daughter, but the resulting investigation cleared me of that bullshit at least), so I am in no way opposed to system to protect victims of domestic abuse.

Some people are assholes and there needs to be a system to protect against such assholes.

But, with any system, there is a potential for abuse. Especially if the system is designed to act swiftly and decisively. And as such it is important to have a level-headed and reasonable discussion on what can be done to prevent such abuse. Because, believe me, it is utterly surreal to hear someone accuse you of a heinous crime. It is truly a "What the f..."-experience.

[–]Halafax 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Some people are assholes and there needs to be a system to protect against such assholes.

The problem is that manipulative or destructive people get far more use out of special considerations. When you put exceptions into rules, people looking for weak spots in the framework find them, sometimes advised by professionals. I'm pretty convinced that lawyers advise their sympathetic clients to file as many restraining orders as possible, which is a cynical abuse of that system, but "hey, I'm gonna use it".

[–]Mandarni 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that manipulative or destructive people get far more use out of special considerations.

I agree. We do need a major overhaul of the system. Because, as it stands, it is not only open to widespread abuse, it is actually used for widespread abuse.

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