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Los Angeles Times Reviews "The Red Pill" (and of course it's a hit piece)

TibsKirk

October 13, 2016
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http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-capsule-red-pill-review-20161008-snap-story.html
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Title Los Angeles Times Reviews "The Red Pill" (and of course it's a hit piece)
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TibsKirk

Upvotes 35
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Date October 13, 2016 10:53 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
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Comments

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

archive

[–]JohnKimble111 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks - if it is indeed a hit-piece then why promote it?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Another extremely shallow review, only marginally better than the Village voice hatchet job.

to comprehend the ways in which patriarchal systems control resources to exploit both women and men.

Does this mean the film doesn't address the "patriarchy hurts men too" bullshit? I would be surprised if that's true. Karen Straughan did a brilliant job in her lecture on "toxic femininity" of dispelling the myth that feminists have any interest in challenging fundamental gender roles (female hypoagency, female as moral superior, damsel in distress, male as provider and protecter, male as disposable utility, male as threat etc. Rather it's simply a hate movement that seeks to demonize men and give ever more privileges to women -- to the detriment of both sexes).

I would love for Karen to take on some of these negative reviews (after more are in) in a video and send the link to these "journalists". It is clear that they are reviewing the film through a distorted feminist lens.

[–]omegaphallic 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reviews are nothing, but ad homenium attacks, not an ounch of substance, spoon fed to an audience that can't see the movie for themselves yet.

[–]smoledman 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Karen Straughn should be canonized at this point.

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[–]MisterDamage 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What I found most interesting was her failure to identify how the terms were misunderstood and provide an alternative definition. It's so much easier to avoid being refuted when you're studiously avoiding making an argument.

[–]CountVonVague 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's truly remarkable how reliant much of feminist rhetoric is on appeals to authority with the assumption that because they can wield the big ol' "F" word and associated lingo that people will listen to them and that the academia is correct in the first place.

[–]BDMR_lurker 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And the author forgets that when absolutely everyone around her needs a vocabulary lesson, maybe she should open a dictionary...

[–]smoledman 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah just what I need. Emma Fucking Watson giving me a vocabulary lesson on feminism.

[–]BDMR_lurker 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Good. Now more people know this movie exists.

The article is classic handwaving (Oh, yes, men have problem, but no fuck given) and calls to unity, Borg-style.

One sentence stands out:

and a cathartic viewing of “Mad Max: Fury Road”

Good movie. I really liked how the female utopia was empty and barren because not a single woman had bothered showing up after the few founders.

Not even sarcastic here, Miller cleverly illustrates how yang alone burns itself out in time, but yin alone is barren and sterile from the start.

[–]omegaphallic 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Hated that movie, Immortan Joe is made out to be the bad guy, but starts rebuilding infastructure so people can get water, the welfare state so the disable can survive, the enviroment, some kind of healthcare system, a trade and alliances with local tribes and communities, and he works towards rebuilding civilization.

Charilize Theron character comes in, betrays the men who die to protect her when mislead by her, kills most of the healthy males of the community, destroying the warriors that protected it, kills many members of the surrounding tribes, destroying what ever alliances and trade Immortan Joe had built for his community, and making enemies who will likely steal what immortan Joe build from her, while killing all the inhabiants except the most valuable surviving females, she gets several of the women who trusted her killed, the Green Mothers all die, she caused the destruction of many of the communities resources like vechile, the first fully healthy male fetus in the community is destroyed when its mother gets run over, Immortan Joe's adult son get killed, and she causes a chaotic situation that will lead to more war as local tribes fight over who gets to keep what Immortan Joe built after they take it from her.

Yet he's the bad guy because he's a "warlord", the guy that built relationships with surrounding communities and trade networks, while she cause slaughter, completely destabalized the whole region which would lead to more war, not less.

It makes no sense that the movie acts like she's a hero instead of a back stabbing thug and a thief and a murderer, which actually fits her actions.

Edit: I shit I finally get your point, but I don't think how the movie actually mocks feminism and its stupidity and hypocracy was intended. Maybe I'm wrong and the movie was better then I realized.

[–]Terraneaux 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's liberation theology - Immortan Joe is the bad guy not because he's the ruler, but because he claims an authority that should be reserved, in the filmmaker's eyes, for God.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I disagree. I think it was intended. The movie was filled with details about the world without shoving them in the audience's faces. On the surface, it's just an action movie about good guys and bad guys, meant to satisfy the average viewer. But if you pay attention to the details, it is obvious that there are no real good guys in the movie. It is a movie about primal conflict between people's interests.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I may have to reevulate the movie.

[–]BDMR_lurker 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On casual watch, I thought I was reading far too much in the movie.

On second watch, I gained respect for George Miller. And Tom Hardy. They have made Max into a decently subtle character, even though his most interesting communication is non verbal

[–]Archibald_Andino 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article is classic handwaving (Oh, yes, men have problem, but no fuck given)

I've noticed that too. "Yeah, to be honest, even I must agree they do make many valid points... to which me and every other feminist will continue to ignore, mock and dismiss"

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[–]Terraneaux 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you realize that Furiosa was supposed to be Mary Magdalene it makes a lot of sense.

[–]CountVonVague 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not even sarcastic here, Miller cleverly illustrates how yang alone burns itself out in time, but yin alone is barren and sterile from the start.

That is honestly an AMAZING interpretation

[–]BDMR_lurker 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not even. I am convinced Mad Max is a grossly under-rated social commentary, mostly for being appropriated by asinine, vociferous feminists.

Then again, I think Saturday Night Fever is a grossly under-rated social commentary.

Just look at the ending: it may be a shoot-out at the lonely cowboy, but it's definitely Max Going His Own Way.

And don't get me started about the 'human rifle bipod' scene. It's so much subtler than the "you go, girl" cunts have read into it.

[–]Swordfish101101[🍰] 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

What the film does illustrate is how the gendered culture war has devolved into an ugly schoolyard scrap, when goals could be aligned to work for greater equality for all

... and Feminists are the reason for that. Feminists refuse to even communicate at all, are completely shut down, spit on men and men's rights issues, laugh at male suicide, 'laugh' at male tears as the meme says, maliciously attempt to destroy men who advocate for their own legal rights any way they can; no low is too low to stoop to.

Laugh and mock work related fatalities that are 95% male doing all of the necessary jobs women refuse to do, advocate for laws and court procedures that enable women to make false accusations of rape and guarantee men will be convicted, act as if they are above reproach, will instantly BAN anyone who disagrees with Feminist rhetoric AT ALL from any feminist or female ran site or people will be banned from most mainstream sites such as Twitter for even being critical of women at all, to insure feminists and most women stay in an echo chamber and keep most women ignorant, pro-actively push for legislation to strip men of even more of their legal rights- the college false rape accusations and instant expulsion without due process is only one countless examples.

It's CLEAR and OBVIOUS that Feminism is 100% pure HATE, pure evil and malicious, 100% intentional FRAUD to gain funding from the government and sees men as the enemy and has a 'seek and destroy' operating system. You can't REASON with people like that at ALL. There is nothing positive or legitimate about feminism today. Feminism is an all out WAR against men and has been for decades and has been succeeding. Ya think that just maybe it's time men woke up to this fact instead of stupidly believing they can reason with someone who laughs at male suicide and would love to see them dead or in prison?

This writer trivializes what is more accurately a holocaust for men, society and children as well, know as 50 years of feminism as a 'schoolyard scrap' and needs to immediately recognize the source of all of the problem: Feminism. Men's Rights is nothing more than what the title says, fighting for the rights of men.

[–]fengpi 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminists have throwing grenades at men for years. Now that men have started to catch the grenades and throw them back OH DEAR GOD NO NOT THAT.

Dirty pool, sirs. Poor form. Underhanded. Ungallant. Ungentlemanly.

[–]smoledman 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's another fucking feminist trying to rely on male chivalry.

[–]smoledman 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL. Feminists have been the big schoolyard bullies for years now and when a f-en avowed feminist Cassie Jaye comes along and punches them back in the nose they go crying to mommy!

[–]ThirdTurnip 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The femiloons fought like crazy to prevent the film even being made. That they'd lash it with unkind reviews was only to be expected.

I'm certainly no less keen to see it now.

[–]smoledman 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a Kickstarter backer and I can't wait for my digital download!

[–]TibsKirk[S] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't premiere until Fri, right, or are certain journalists given advanced access? It sure reads like a hit piece with an agenda. I'm not sure this author watched more than the 8-minute trailer.

[–]ThirdTurnip 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

According to the official website it premiered in NY a week ago.

[–]TibsKirk[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but this is a LAT reporter. Do you think she flew out to NY to write such a review as this? It seems like another early leak of counter-attack.

[–]ThirdTurnip 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You said it hadn't premiered and I just pointed out it had.

What I think I've posted elsewhere in this thread.

[–]TibsKirk[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I meant that it had not premiered in LA until tomorrow, and this is the second hit piece that airs prior to a premiere.

[–]feedmecarrots 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to argue againt either of you but, the sense that I go of reaing the article was that she had not seen the documentary. That is not good journalism.

[–]smoledman 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ms. Walsh has a feminist agenda, of course she hates "The Red Pill".

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