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Even in Israel, more and more parents choose not to circumcise their sons

JohnKimble111

October 10, 2016
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http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/even-in-israel-more-and-more-parents-choose-not-to-circumcise-their-sons-1.436421
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Title Even in Israel, more and more parents choose not to circumcise their sons
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JohnKimble111

Upvotes 25
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Date October 10, 2016 11:59 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
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Comments

[–]ThirdTurnip 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A comprehensive article. It was good but I wish it had been shorter and punchier. I'm guessing many won't read it through to the end.

I found it interesting that there is a decline in the practice amongst Jews and prominent opponents to it within their ranks. That's a really positive sign.

[–]Wisemanner 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't know much about religion, but why can't it be left until the boy can decide for himself?

[–]TorontoIntactivist 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because the practice would quickly die out. Sexual trauma needs to be foisted onto the child.

[–]rodrigogirao 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Circumcision is a meme, in the proper sense of the word. People would rather impose this harm upon the next generation than admit that their own generation was duped.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In the Muslim world it often is. In Turkey for example circumcision is often performed at ages 11-13. It's a whole "coming off age" ceremony.

[+][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I have stood against misandry in the media, against discrimination faced by male DV victims and against Presumption of Guilt for men accused of sexual offenses. But as a Jew I would never support any attempt to ban Jewish and Muslim practice. There are 1.7 billion Muslims in the World -- most of them devout.

[–]Muesli_nom 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But as a Jew I would never support any attempt to ban Jewish and Muslim practice. There are 1.7 billion Muslims in the World -- most of them devout.

If I understand that reasoning correctly, you would not ban those practices just because of the number of devout Muslims and Jews?

Secondly: Neither Jewish faith nor the Islam requires the genital mutilation of men for them to be accepted as Jew or Muslim. As the article points out, it's mostly done "because it's just done" or "because the community wants it". A lot of parents do not even seem to know what happens when a penis is cut - wouldn't that fall into at least the category of "performing a medical procedure without obtaining informed consent"?

In any case, I am quite gladdened to read that more and more parents inform themselves on what is called circumcision, and decide not to inflict it on their sons. Since my own country (Germany) explicitly legalized genital mutilation on days-old boys a few years ago, this outcome of the information getting out there and preventing parents from circumcising their sons even when it would be legal was what I hoped would happen.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

You can watch an infant boy being sexually fondled and masturbated here by a mohel. He's given a forced erection, so then it's easier for the child sex-abuser to mutilate his penis:

https://youtu.be/yaaw7wivUN4?t=3m12s

Here a mohel describes how the point of circumcision is to damage the boy's sexuality:

https://youtu.be/XN65C9tbLP0?t=10m34s

And here he is again, showing the torture and rape tools he will use:

https://youtu.be/XN65C9tbLP0?t=4s

You can watch a full mutilation here. The little boy will be raped by having a metal probe forced in-between his foreskin and the glans of the penis. The foreskin is adhered to the glans and birth, and does not separate until he is older. The rape-probe tears the two apart — rather like having a needle forced under your fingernail.

Then the boy will be tortured by having a clamp applied to his penis and his foreskin crushed. Then the child sex-abuser will mutilate his penis by amputating his foreskin.

https://youtu.be/W2PKdDOjooA?t=3m2s

This lucky little boy then gets a "Happy Ending" — the child sex-abuser sucks his bleeding penis, gives him herpes and then the kid gets brain damaged for life or, SPECIAL BONUS, dies.

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2013/03/15-babies-die-every-year-in-nyc-from-metzitzah-bpeh-herpes-hospitals-cover-up-deaths-leading-yu-rabbi-claims-567.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304793/Two-babies-stricken-HERPES-ritual-oral-blood-sucking-circumcision-New-York-City.html

And note that Jewish ritual sexual mutilation specifically prohibits any attempt to reduce the pain of the amputation. Indeed, "pain" is one of the reason for the mutilation:

"The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision."

— Moses Maimonides (1135-1204). One of the greatest Jewish sages.

http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/

This poll shows the vast majority of Jews say no anaesthetic should be used:

http://www.thejc.com/poll/should-a-mohel-use-anaesthetic

Even the UK Jewish Medical Association states that no anaesthetic must be used by the child-sex-abuser:

http://jewishmedicalassociationuk.org/uk-jewish-medical-issues/circumcision

So pedophillia, fondling, masturbation, rape, penis torture, genital mutilation, oral sex, herpes infection, brain damage and death.

All in the name of "religion".

Nice.

[–]PM-ME-YOUR-RANT 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, yeah. One person being devout is a bulletproof justification for having an irreversible cosmetic surgery designed to cripple sexual function performed on another person.

/s

[–]rodrigogirao 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As Wellhausen explained, circumcision is not even mentioned in the original version of the Pentateuch. It was only added around 500BC, along with a load of taboos and ritual nonsense, as a power grab by the priestly class.

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