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German court fines model 20.000€ for making false rape accusations

Gigaplex1

August 22, 2016
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3753017/German-court-fines-model-making-false-rape-accusations.html
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Title German court fines model 20.000€ for making false rape accusations
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Gigaplex1

Upvotes 306
Comments 26
Date August 22, 2016 4:55 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4z1hvj/german_court_fines_model_20000_for_making_false/
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Comments

[–]FreakJoe 61 points62 points63 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Best of all? Both the prosecutor and judge were women. I could seriously hug those two right now.

The prosecutor handled the case exactly like I'd want every single prosecutor to handle rape accusations. She went into it completely unbiased. Decided that, based on 30 seconds of video, it could have been rape. As soon as more evidence came to light, she realized that this was not rape, dropped the charges against the two men and instead filed charges against the woman.

The prosecutor let evidence guide her decision-making, not blind belief in either side of the story.

[–]DemonB7R 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think as many prosecutors go in with blind belief, so much as they just want to get an easy victory on their record, and so hammer the story as hard as they dare. Fortunately its backfired enough times that some are now actually doing their jobs properly.

[–]ber_throwaway 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Luckily that's not as much a problem in Germany as it seems to be in the US. There were cases were you had the feeling, the prosecutor liked to be in the spotlight, but most prosecutors aren't very present in the media.

And they are not elected by a vote, so they don't have to fight election battles like in the US sometimes.

Both has it's pros and cons. (Same for the jury system.)

[–]ber_throwaway 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny how even a moderator here saw the case in the wrong light, after the feminist MSM spread their bullshit. (Not trying to put fuel in the fire again, just pointing out, how effective their propaganda is).

As I wrote at the first article that was linked here, the chance for a public prosecutor to prosecute a false rape allegation in Germany without absolutely waterproof evidence is close to zero. (As in most countries).

And if she is stupid enough to challenge the courts decisison, she will lose again. I hope she does, just costs her more money. ;)

If she is somewhat smart, she will stop now, pay the fine, and publish a book about the evil that was done to her. Get prepared to see her and her slimy lawyers in every show on TV to push the feminist agenda of "unpunished rape" further.

Actually the judge gave her 20 days(*) more than the prosectur originally filed for.

(*) money fines in Germany are calculated on the daily income of the fined person. So a poor guy and a billionaire both get the same amount of "days" for a crime, but the rate is much higher for the billionaire.

edit: And another point: That c*** can be happy, that she lives in a gynocentric society, where she just has to pay a few Euros instead of being thrown into jail for 5-10 years, which would be the fair sentence.

[–]Brusanan 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Making false rape accusations, or false accusations of any type, is nothing short of trying to ruin a person's life. A fine is a slap on the wrist for something so serious. There should be jail time.

[–]Muesli_nom 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There should be jail time.

You forget you're dealing with a woman in the judicial system here; Their sentences tend to me more lenient than for a man in the same situation. The last (and first) time I remember a woman being jailed in Germany for a false rape accusation was the case of Horst Arnold, who'd already been convicted, had served his time (with no earlier release because he insisted on being innocent, instead of "atoning for his sins"), and had died, alone, ostracized and destitute. His accuser then got jail time (about what her victim got) for perverting the cause of justice and wrongful imprisonment. Never mind it was the state that had him wrongfully imprisoned.

Anyway: It's a minor sensation that anything happened to Lohfink at all. I'd fully expected her to be left off with a half-assed finger-wagging.

[–]Mashiki -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

There should be jail time.

Used to be jail time, in some cases it was public execution if you go back far enough. After the 1850's when policing became a thing outside of the UK, the laws in those countries were eventually repealed. It was believed that since there was a body dedicated to the investigation and laying of charges against crimes, the possibility of false accusations would be heavily reduced.

[–]2wsy -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't know what you are on about, but the sentence for giving false reason for suspicion in germany goes from a fine up to 5 years in jail (§ 164 StGB).

[–]Mashiki -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And the law has changed how? Right. Now you're getting to the heart of the matter.

[–]2wsy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I still have no idea what you are trying to tell me.

[–]Mashiki 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Apparently. The law has fundamentally shifted in the cases like this to the point where jail time isn't a norm. Jail time is so far outside the norm now that fines are considered an acceptable answer.

[–]2wsy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently.

Well, you don't do a very good job expressing yourself.

The law has fundamentally shifted in the cases like this

Ok. The law was slightly different 50 years ago. Why are you pointing that out?

to the point where jail time isn't a norm.

Citation needed.

Jail time is so far outside the norm now that fines are considered an acceptable answer.

That's not how the law works in Germany.

Fines are considered an acceptable answer because it's written in the law.

[–]herewegoaga1n 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Listen and believe.

Come to a conclusion based on facts and evidence.

[–]Muesli_nom 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is all the more admirable if you consider how boldly feminists stood by Lohfink. Hell, even our Minister of Family joined "Team Gina-Lisa" that went around screaming "listen and believe!". It's actually fucking scary, having a Minister that evidently can't make the distinction between accuser and victim.

edit: Family, not Justice. Although the MoJ apparently used the Lohfink case to further his rework of our rape laws.

[–]badwig 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nails, tats and pretend glasses - instagram nightmare harpy, run a mile.

[–]feedmecarrots 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good! Now, she should cough up. I wish there were more of these.

[–]chamaelleon 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She should get at least the average sentence for rape convictions in Germany.

[–]Gigaplex1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here a more detailed version - Only in german language

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The idea of not prosecuting false allegations because it deterred true complaints was always dodgy.

It was assumed was that false accusations are very rare, but they are not.
At the very least a few percent of complaints are consciously false. After reading a bunch of modern studies I guess 5-10% are false. (Many of those are not malicious e.g. misunderstanding the law). There are older studies which give much higher numbers but I'm inclined to believe experts have increased understanding about rape over the years, not lost it.

Another reason for not prosecuting false complaints was that it gives them publicity which will lead to copycat false accusations. This is obviously true, but it is balanced to some extent by people deterred by seeing false accusers punished.

The question is what the balance will be between copycats and people deterred by prosecutions and convictions. That depends a lot on what proportion of prosecutions for false allegation result in a conviction, and what the penalties are.
For that reason it would be counter-productive to prosecute for false allegation unless there is both a very strong case, and an expectation of a substantial penalty.

The police do receive such cases, and it is time they were prosecuted.

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[–]Gigaplex1[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They utilized this case back in june to establish tougher rape laws

[–]Jethr0Paladin -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

A $20 fine?

Damn, Germany's really toned down their penalties since the 40's.

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[–]Jethr0Paladin 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Huh. Why'd OP get it wrong on the title like that?

[–]ber_throwaway 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"." and "," are inverted in their use in Germany.

20k = 20.000,00 in Germany, 20,000.00 in the US.

[–]Erolone 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not wrong

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