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Preserving The Mother Choice: Why You Should Oppose A Female Draft

Aprilisse

June 29, 2016
28 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title Preserving The Mother Choice: Why You Should Oppose A Female Draft
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Aprilisse

Upvotes 28
Comments 21
Date June 29, 2016 1:26 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4qcznh/preserving_the_mother_choice_why_you_should/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/preserving-the-mother-choice-why-you-should-oppose.946462
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[–]thrway_1000 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]HotDealsInTexas 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m a feminist, a law professor, a Mormon, and a mother.

First of all... a Mormon Feminist? Really? Aren't the tenets of mormonism in direct opposition to the idea of women's rights? And they actually take those tenets seriously.

Also, lol, "as a mother."

And in each of these capacities, I am advocating opposition to the extension of the military draft to women. Last week the Senate voted overwhelmingly in support of extending selective service registration to women. The bill is now in congressional committee before being sent to the president.

I am a grateful beneficiary of the feminist movement. Because of feminism, I was able to become a lawyer and practice at prestigious firms in New York City and Indianapolis. Feminism declared that women are not prisoners forced to stay at home and to stay out of the centers of economic and political power—the core ideals of feminism being choice and empowerment. I embrace this declaration and join in advocating the empowerment of women.

So basically you want all the benefits men get with none of the downsides. As usual.

Which leads to my objection to extending the draft to women. Isn’t this just a matter of equality? As a law professor, I understand the importance of equal obligations in a system of justice. If men can be drafted, shouldn’t women also be subject to a potential draft? I remain unconvinced.

Several major religious traditions hold that a woman’s greatest role is raising her children at home. And many women sincerely believe as much—without cowering to husbands or religious leaders. Other women want to join the military and agree to leave children and/or opportunities for child-bearing and child-rearing behind while they are gone. I’m happy they can make that choice. But it is a different matter to create a law that can force any woman to give up, at the government’s beck and call, getting pregnant, having a child, breastfeeding her baby, raising her preschoolers, being home when her kids get out of school each day, or even preparing to start a family and finding a partner? Keep in mind that women have a relatively short window of healthy fertility and childbearing.

Right, but it's perfectly okay for a MAN to be torn away from his family and sent overseas to be shot at when the government needs bullet sponges.

Have we considered the psychological effects on women who are drafted against their will—especially taken from their children (and opportunities to have children) when they sincerely believe it is their life mission to build a family?

Even for women who have not yet had children, what are the opportunity costs to them of being able to have and raise a family if we draft them to war in their prime years for marriage and childbearing?

What are the opportunity costs to men if they FUCKING DIE at 20 years old because of being drafted to war?

And the injuries to conscripted women are likely to be far more severe than they have been on men. Women and men simply do not stand on an equal playing field—physically or psychologically—when it comes to force and violence. It’s a biological fact. As noted in Psychology Today, there exists “a clear distinction between male and female sexes regarding their predisposition to violence.” This is not due to “the imprinting of social roles” but is “first of all, due to genetic factors.” Indeed:

BIOTROOFS

On the whole, women are less able to physically and psychologically respond to and reciprocate violence from men. Why would that be less true in combat? That’s why we have women who flee to shelters across the US.

No, actually the reason is because just as many men are subject to violence, but there are no shelters for them to flee too.

So to everyone who cares about choice, about sincerely-held religious beliefs, about motherhood and stable families, about healthy babies, about violence against women, please stand against the extension of the draft to women. Feminists, if you believe in choice, fight for your sisters who believe their empowerment is found in being at home with their children. Empower them to keep that choice—even as other women have become empowered to reject it.

But fuck men, who gives a shit if an entire generation of young men is slaughtered against their will, since it only takes a few alpha males to impregnate all the women, right? /s

Ladies and gentlemen, THIS is what the Empathy Gap looks like.

[–]fengpi 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

a Mormon Feminist?

To be fair, Mormons are a special kind of crazy. Being a feminist on top of being a Mormon is adding spice to the soup.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo.

[–]mrstickman 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article is way more fun if you change the word "women" to "women (and not men)".

I embrace this declaration and join in advocating the empowerment of women (and not men).

We must continue to allow women (and not men) to make that choice.

So to everyone who cares... about violence against women (and not men), please stand against the extension of the draft to women.

[–]GenderNeutralLanguag 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

If a woman really is convinced that her place is the one defined for her by the church, then we should allow that. She shouldn't be subject to the draft, she should also never be allowed to enter any paid employment or education of any kind. If we shouldn't take her away from her kids to serve the needs of the nations, she shouldn't be allowed to leave her kids for her own selfish desires.

[–]SacredWeapon 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Too far. Instead, impose the punishment men are already subject to for not signing up for the draft: ineligibility for government-subsidized student loans, no access to federal employment positions, no qualification for security clearances.

The $250k/10 year prison fine is a fucked up idea for enforcing the draft and ought to be done away with entirely.

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[–]SacredWeapon 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't have a problem with the idea that pregnant women and mothers should be excluded

I feel like "is pregnant" would be a near-automatic 4F anyway. We have a system to deal with this, we don't need to create another new one on top of it. Women have been enlisting for a long time--it's already able to deal with them.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The draft should be done away with entirely, its a bullshit out dated idea.

[–]PerniciousOne 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that the draft will not be changed without women being a part of it. By increasing the pool of eligible draftees will help prevent future utilizing the draft. Most women drafted will magically get pregnant anyways.

[–]SacredWeapon 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree, and our society will too within 24 hours of women being on the draft.

One of the gender roles thrust onto men is the obligation to protect. We live in a world of guns and tanks and automatic drones that can drop bombs with their controllers a thousand miles away. But the gender role persists, as it is based on ten thousand years of history where we had none of that.

How do you make the obligation to serve seem idiotic today? You extend it to everyone. A million voices will scream that we don't need this anymore, we have the power to protect with volunteers only. Voices silent when it was men who had to serve will speak up when it is not just those they 'expect' to do it.

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I understand, I'm skeptical that it work out how you want, especially when all a woman has to do in practice is get pregnate to get out of it.

[–]SacredWeapon 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's no small task. It's hell on the body. Getting pregnant doesn't disqualify you from signing up for selective service, anyway.

[–]Hypersapien 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am opposed to a female draft.

I am equally opposed to a male draft.

I'd rather we have neither, but if we're going to have one, we need to have both.

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Hm, is this the whole "women already are in combat because some chick in Iraq stepped on a mine" thing? I don't bother reading theese articles any more.

[–]Ellis4Life 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

While a little heavy on the religious aspect, i was very shocked to find I agree with one of her main points.

Well mostly the part about stay at home moms. My wife is a stay at home mother by choice. She has a college education, but I can and am more than happy to provide on my salary alone and our children get to grow up with their mother. Not saying there is anything wrong with a women and man working and putting their kids in daycare, but this is what's best for our family and that doesn't make my wife subservient, oppressed or stuck with a traditional gender role that has been forced upon her.

A side note: I think women actually think that in the event of a draft they are getting thrown to the front lines. Let's be honest. That sure as shit won't happen.

[–]fengpi 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Most people in the military are not on the front lines. This needs to be emphasized in public pronouncements. Even if 10 million women are drafted in the future oil-conflict with China (see my forthcoming technothriller "Red Dragon's Bunghole"), they will be sitting at desks, typing numbers into supply requisition forms.

[–]Ellis4Life 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't for wait for HBOs new smash hit: Band of Sisters.

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, it'll be bracing.

As the bombing campaign intensifies against Iran's offshore petroleum installations, the Sisters will spend a long, drawn-out day of updating the mission's Twitter feed. After their shift ends at 7 PM, the Sisters will then have to deal with the menace of Jacksonville's urban sprawl and monotonous night-life.

Tune in at 7 PM Eastern/Mountain time, 6 PM Central/Pacific!

[–]Kuramo 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that doesn't make my wife subservient, oppressed or stuck with a traditional gender role that has been forced upon her.

Actually, you're who is stuck with a traditional gender role that has been forced upon you. You're a being enslaved and forced to serve a woman.

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