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Donald Trump supports the death penalty for men found innocent of rape

Galle_

June 4, 2016
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Title Donald Trump supports the death penalty for men found innocent of rape
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Galle_

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Comments 27
Date June 4, 2016 9:25 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4mkbh7/donald_trump_supports_the_death_penalty_for_men/
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[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

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[–]civilsaint 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

But in 2012 he decided to take out another advertisement in the only newspaper he reads, Twitter, and still insinuate they were guilty.

Do you think Trump really cares if poor, innocent boys go to jail?

Some of them, he supposes, are nice people.

[–]SnickerSnak 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

But they were guilty. Three of them confessed after being questioned in the presence of their parents/legal guardians. They also implicated the two other defendants. All three admitted to holding her down/beating her while a "Puerto Rican" guy (their words) penetrated her. Just because some activist judge decided to throw out the verdict doesn't mean they weren't guilty.

[–]civilsaint 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

They were false confessions. The real perp came forward.

They were sleep deprived and denied legal counsel, and the police told them if they signed confessions that the police made up, they could go home.

[–]SnickerSnak 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You didn't really look into the case did you?

The real perp came forward.

The word of a serial rapist and murderer means nothing to me. He was already serving a life sentence and in any case, the statute of limitations had run out. He had nothing to lose by claiming he acted alone and by doing so he could help out some fellow criminals.

They were sleep deprived and denied legal counsel...

I can imagine the conversation now...

A: Hey Lou, I want you to do what it takes to get a confession from these kids! I don't care how illegal it is!

B: Should I deprive them of sleep captain?

A Of course Lou!

B I know, I'll stop them from getting a lawyer!

A Brilliant idea Lou!

B I'll begin questioning immediately.

A Hold on there Lou, that's going too far! We've gotta wait for their parents or guardians to show up, they're minors you know.

Yep, totally makes sense.

Yusef Salaam was the only minor to be questioned without a parent/legal guardian present and that was only because he lied and claimed to be 16 using a false I.D. to 'prove' it. His interrogation stopped as soon as his mother arrived.

...the police told them if they signed confessions that the police made up, they could go home.

And their parents/legal guardians bought off on that? Really?

Upon critical examination, the whole story of five innocent black kids out in the park for a bit of assault and robbery (but totally not rape) being coerced into confessions by the brutal, racist, white cops breaks down.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You didn't really look into the case did you?

The Innocence Project did, and the exoneration was based on DNA matches. Not based on the scenario that you pulled out of your ass.

And your cute little convo you concocted there only serves to show you know nothing about the extent cops will go to in order to fabricate evidence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kern_County_child_abuse_cases

http://documentarystorm.com/witch-hunt

[–]SnickerSnak 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

...the exoneration was based on DNA matches.

I wasn't aware that DNA matches could definitively exclude them from having held her down, fondled her, and/or beat her while she was being penetrated by Matias Reyes. In fact I've never heard of any such magical DNA tests and I doubt you have either. But just for shits and giggles, how did the DNA tests definitively prove that they didn't do what they said they did?

...you know nothing about the extent cops will go to in order to fabricate evidence:

From your first link (my emphasis):

In 1982, Alvin and Debbie McCuan's two daughters, coached by their step-grandmother Mary Ann Barbour, who had custody of them, alleged they had been abused by their parents...

Sooooo, not the police fabricating evidence, just the police being fooled by two children who had been coached. I mean, I know the police do some shady crap. They have, in fact, framed people. But to deprive 5 kids of lawyers and sleep while their parents/guardians are right there seems a tad much don't you think?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

But just for shits and giggles, how did the DNA tests definitively prove that they didn't do what they said they did?

I thought you said you looked into the case?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case#Convictions_vacated

Subsequently, Reyes declared in 2002 that he had assaulted and raped the jogger that night, when he was 17. He said that he had acted alone.[56][57] At the time of the attack, he was working at an East Harlem bodega on Third Avenue and 102nd Street, and living in a van on the street.[57][58] He provided a detailed account of the attack, details of which were corroborated by other evidence.[25] The DNA evidence confirmed his participation in the rape, identifying him as the sole contributor of the semen found in and on the victim "to a factor of one in 6,000,000,000 people".[25] DNA analysis of the strands of hair found in Richardson's underpants established that the hair did not belong to the victim.[59] The victim had been tied up with her T-shirt in a distinctive fashion that Reyes used again on later victims.[25] Reyes was not prosecuted because the statute of limitations had passed, and thus his admissions did not place him at further risk.

The rest of what you say is based on the assumption that the coerced confessions had any merit.

Sooooo, not the police fabricating evidence, just the police being fooled by two children who had been coached

Nice job cherry-picking quotes. I've seen the whole film. The cops held the kids and badgered them into confessions. That is a fact, and that was brought out in the court case.

ETA: Six similar cases occurred throughout Kern County. For instance, the testimony of five young boys was the prosecution's key evidence in a trial in which four defendants were convicted, with John Stoll, a 41-year-old carpenter, receiving the longest sentence of the group: 40 years for 17 counts of lewd and lascivious conduct. "It never happened," Ed Sampley, one of the accusers, told a New York Times reporter in 2004. He claimed he had lied about Stoll.

Try reading further next time.

But to deprive 5 kids of lawyers and sleep while their parents/guardians are right there seems a tad much don't you think

Nope.

[–]SnickerSnak 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought you said you looked into the case?

I did. The DNA proves that Reyes penetrated the victim, it says nothing at all about whether or not the five boys helped him commit the rape.

The cops held the kids and badgered them into confessions.

So you're saying the kids were coached to lie to the cops, but they wouldn't do it so the cops badgered them into it? What a weird and twisted world you must live in.

Try reading further next time.

Again, your quote is about a person who made a false accusation, there's nothing in it to suggest police misconduct.

Regardless, I've already acknowledged that police sometimes coerce confessions, you have yet to present any evidence that the police did it in the case of these five boys. Their convictions were vacated solely on the word of a convicted serial rapist and murderer that he acted alone when he raped the woman. No DNA evidence exonerated them, no police coercion was verified. You believe what you believe because you have faith, that's it.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This blog post reads like nothing more than a hit piece.

This strategy – of underscoring the fundamental danger of placing our nuclear codes near the short fingers of a petty, ill-tempered, egomaniacal ignoramus – isn’t exclusive to Clinton; it’s been in circulation for a while, and it may have the best chance of sticking of any anti-Trump narrative.

When it's somebody writing about a politician like that, you know it's not going to be anything at all balanced or facts based. I don't like Donald Trump either, but it's amazing how the people who claim to hate him far more than I do are incapable of genuinely criticising him or any of his policies they always have to make up character attacks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those alleged to have committed the crime were not named, nor did he suggest suspension of due process.

Dead wrong:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/donald-trump-central-park-settlement-disgrace-article-1.1838467

He made it clear who he was referring to in an op-ed he penned, with the ad shown right next to it.

[–]MalusMalorum 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just find it rather ironic when Hilary Clinton gives such a statement - given that by this standard, she should immediatly step down from her current position in the election campaign.

Yes, this is a typical irrational reaction to a crime, it is not how I want laws to be influenced, but then do apply that same standard to Hillary.

[–]civilsaint 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Trump's no MRA. He's never advocated for a men's cause yet, just drones on about women's cards.

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bill Mahar's right as bad as Hillary is, she might be the least objectionable choice if Bernie Sanders doesn't pull off a miracle. I feel like puking after saying that.

When it comes to Western Democracies that only form I hate worse then my own country's FPTP, is the American system, its like a light switch with two off positions.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Bitch. Please. Amazing how far the establishment goes to try to discredit this guy. Hell, just today i had a look at an article claiming that Trump could end all life on earth if he becomes president! They'll claim he's the seventh sign of the apocalypse, next.

[–]Galle_[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So you support punishment for men who are accused of rape even after they're found innocent?

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL

[–]Galle_[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I admit that I definitely sympathize more with r/MensLib than this sub, but I thought this was blatantly disgusting enough that you guys ought to hear about it.

[–]garglemesh42 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

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What is this?

[–]Galle_[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Toxic masculinity" is a stupid name for what's more properly called "misandry". It's an ancient problem that has existed for centuries. Feminism is, at worst, guilty of occasionally reinforcing that problem. But that's a mistake from their point of view, as well, and to the extent that feminists reinforce misandry, they are bad feminists. Gender equality isn't a zero-sum game - misandry and misogyny are really the same thing, but seen from two different angles.

[–]garglemesh42 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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What is this?

[–]Galle_[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly, yes. It's mostly a matter of age, actually - the feminist movement back in the 80s was really bad about reinforcing sexism when the misandry was more obvious than the misogyny, and they're the ones whose policies are in place now.

In recent years, there's been a slow trend toward recognizing that sexism does, in fact, harm men (albeit not as much as women) and that it might be a good idea to talk about that. The problem is that the MRM has become so intertwined with anti-feminism (including some legitimate points, but unfortunately also a lot of sexist bullshit) that trying to move that way makes you seem like you're giving in to the enemy.

The poor guys running r/MensLib have to walk a very tight line between Charybdis and Scylla, and I don't envy them one bit.

[–]DaVincitheReptile 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

so do you have anything to say to /u/DaNiceguy 's analysis of your title?

[–]Galle_[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Technically, it's an exaggeration. Strictly speaking, he hasn't explicitly stated that he still supports the death penalty for them. But he does clearly still support some kind of punishment against them for a crime they didn't commit, and hasn't explicitly retracted his call for the death penalty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/donald-trump-central-park-settlement-disgrace-article-1.1838467

He made it clear who he was referring to in an op-ed he penned, with the ad shown right next to it.

[–]ABC_Florida 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a populist ad. There was death penalty back in those times. AFAIK, there were no people executed in NY after 1963. I doubt he is really that stupid he wants to seem.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I admit that I definitely sympathize more with r/MensLib than this sub

That explains the misrepresentation.

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