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Why Women Are More Likely To Be Abusers In Relationships

danstrett

May 29, 2016
148 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.medicaldaily.com/domestic-violence-against-men-women-more-likely-be-intimate-terrorists-controlling-behavior-290662
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Title Why Women Are More Likely To Be Abusers In Relationships
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danstrett

Upvotes 148
Comments 19
Date May 29, 2016 10:11 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]omegaphallic 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"This suggests IPV may not be motivated by patriarchal values, and should be further studied with other forms of aggression."

That will never happen, the feminist lobby will bury this as far and as fast as they can.

[–]Manakel93 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My Master's thesis is on how people view IPV differently depending on who the victim and perpetrator is.

Some people do notice and do care.

[–]l2ka 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Phase II: Get people to care and take this seriously.

[–]whyalwaysm3 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Honestly not surprised. I would say this applies mostly to western countries and definitely not as much to countries where women still don't have as many rights. But western countries, I can absolutely see this study being very accurate. I've had first hand experiences with my ex getting physical whenever she wanted simply because she knew I wouldn't strike back.

[–]chavelah 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Western men have some of the oddest ideas about Non-Western women. Seriously, you've never see a Filipino couple arguing? Those ladies use kitchen implements to express their displeasure.

[–]dontpet 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most men and women don't strike back in western countries, and elsewhere, because that's not how they want to act. It would be interesting to have comment from those with adequate knowledge about the situation in other cultures but I suspect it isn't that different.

[–]danstrett[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

yea i agree this really only applies to western countries

[–]omegaphallic 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have research to back that up? If not, then its only a guess that it applies only to the West.

[–]civilsaint 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ha! This article was published just as I was breaking up with an intimate terrorist and I stumbled on this article and showed it to her.

It didn't help at all, but oh, the memories...

[–]mwobuddy 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women are more likely to be abusers because they're told women can't really hurt men by hitting or yelling t them, and men should be man enough to take what a woman can dish out WITHOUT responding with the same manner.

Empowering people to treat others like shit will always breed people more likely to do it.

[–]cottonthread 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they're told women can't really hurt men by hitting or yelling t them

It can be true to some extent - this one time my mum hit my dad because she thought he had hurt me/endangered my life. All she accomplished was hurting her wrist.

The problem is that the strength difference between men and women has led to the belief that the guy can't defend himself at all because it would hurt her way more than she's capable of hurting him. Hold her wrists? You'll bruise her you monster. Push her away - what if she fell and hit her head? God forbid you actually hit her back.

Also I see in a lot of books/movies/etc that a woman slaps a man if he does something wrong, which gives the impression that hitting against a man is not only ok but justified

[–]InBaggingArea 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Bear in mind that primary school children are now conditioned to accept it's OK for girls to hit boys, but not vice versa.

If you happen to know any girls, just straight up ask them. Is it OK for girls to hit boys? Yes. Is it OK for boys to hit girls? No. Is it OK for girls to seriously injure a boy? Only now do we have a question meriting some pause for reflection.

At that age girls regard boys as just a pathetic joke.

We know ourselves by what we teach our young.

Women are the superior caste. Men just smell. Of course it is OK for the superior class to keep the subordinates in check with violence.

[–]Meistermalkav 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Simplify.

If you are strong enough to throw a punch, you are strong enough to catch one. If you don't want to be punched, don't punch.

[–]InBaggingArea 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Commenting on the findings, lead researcher Dr Elizabeth Bates said: "Previous studies have sought to explain male violence towards women as rising from patriarchal values, which motivate men to seek to control women’s behaviour, using violence if necessary.

“This study found that women demonstrated a desire to control their partners and were more likely to use physical aggression than men. This suggests that IPV may not be motivated by patriarchal values and needs to be studied within the context of other forms of aggression, which has potential implications for interventions.”

So there you have it. Just what Erin Pizzey has been saying for about forty years.

Is anyone actually interested?

[–]InBaggingArea 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"The theory that women perpetrate IPV at roughly the same rate as men has been termed "gender symmetry." The earliest empirical evidence of gender symmetry was presented in the 1975 U.S. National Family Violence Survey carried out by Murray A. Straus and Richard J. Gelles on a nationally representative sample of 2,146 "intact families." The survey found 11.6% of men and 12% of women had experienced some kind of IPV in the last twelve months, while 4.6% of men and 3.8% of women had experienced "severe" IPV.[35][36] These unexpected results led Suzanne K. Steinmetz to coin the controversial term "battered husband syndrome" in 1977.[37] Ever since the publication of Straus and Gelles' findings, other researchers into domestic violence have disputed whether gender symmetry really exists, in a debate that is still ongoing.[8][38][39][40][41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48]

"Since 1975, numerous other empirical studies have found evidence of gender symmetry. For example, in the United States, the National Comorbidity Study of 1990-1992 found 18.4% of men and 17.4% of women had experienced minor IPV, and 5.5% of men and 6.5% of women had experienced severe IPV.[49][50] In England and Wales, the 1995 "Home Office Research Study 191" found that in the twelve months prior to the survey, 4.2% of both men and woman between the ages of 16 and 59 had been assaulted by an intimate.[51] The Canadian General Social Survey of 2000 found that from 1994 to 1999, 4% of men and 4% of women had experienced IPV in a relationship in which they were still involved, 22% of men and 28% of women had experienced IPV in a relationship which had now ended, and 7% of men and 8% of women had experienced IPV across all relationships, past and present.[29] The 2005 Canadian General Social Survey, looking at the years 1999-2004 found similar data; 4% of men and 3% of women had experienced IPV in a relationship in which they were still involved, 16% of men and 21% of women had experienced IPV in a relationship which had now ended, and 6% of men and 7% of women had experienced IPV across all relationships, past and present.[30]

"An especially controversial aspect of the gender symmetry debate is the notion of bidirectional or reciprocal IPV (i.e. when both parties commit violent acts against one another). Findings regarding bidirectional violence are particularly controversial because, if accepted, they can serve to undermine one of the most commonly cited reasons for female perpetrated IPV; self-defense against an aggressive male partner. Despite this, many studies have found evidence of high levels of bidirectionality in cases where women have reported IPV. For example, social activist Erin Pizzey, who established the first women's shelter in the U.K. in 1971, found that 62 of the first 100 women admitted to the centre were "violence-prone," and just as violent as the men they were leaving."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men

[–]InBaggingArea 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

BPS article here. It makes a slightly easier read.

[–]InBaggingArea 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So really we need to see the connection here. By perpetuating the myth that only women can be the victims of domestic tyranny, we as a society have created the conditions for women to become the practitioners of domestic tyranny.

[–]SeljD_SLO 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

there's a reason people say that man had 2 funerals. First is also known as wedding.

[–]Murlocgoesmurgle -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This study doesn't prove much since their control only has half the number of respondents, not to mention that this only applies to two British universities, and should be applied to a much larger range, a well as an over all larger sample size.

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