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I'm so excited and don't know where to post this! I got published for having a pro-man view

Qerbside

May 13, 2016
66 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/people/why-women-need-to-stop-complaining-about-their-high-heels-at-work/news-story/080f547f8b018b393ec61ce4dfaa010f
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Title I'm so excited and don't know where to post this! I got published for having a pro-man view
Author

Qerbside

Upvotes 66
Comments 30
Date May 13, 2016 3:11 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4j4fbj/im_so_excited_and_dont_know_where_to_post_this_i/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/949679
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Comments

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Not sure if this was okay. Yesterday I read a story about how a woman in London was sent home because she refused to wear a uniform that met with policy.

I wrote an angry letter to the author who offered me a chance to rebut the story and I was paid a small sum to do so.

I never passed English in school so to have an opinion piece posted to an Australian news site on its front page today was super rewarding for me and for my views as a man.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well done!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Thanks!, it gets annoying that every day you are made to feel guilty for being a guy, it was nice to push back for once.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

every day you are made to feel guilty for being a guy

I know the feeling, that's why it therapeutic to come to this forum where we can write without being crucified for being a man.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Amen, its gotten to the point now where I feel genuinely guilty just for being a guy, even when I have done nothing wrong.

My sister is also a social worker and is always in my ear which makes things worse, writing this was a huge outlet for me. It may not have touched on core gender discrimination issues, but I felt like I got the chance to stamp on a fire of false discrimination

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope you bought extra copies and shove one in her face and watch have a melt down that her little brother can think for himself - ha ha.

[–]dork_souls 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, I was watching daytime tv yesterday where they were discussing this. More specifically Good Morning Britain (fairly well-rounded) and Loose Women (recently became a lot less anti-male) and both times, the hosts of the shows were very unimpressed with this woman complaining about heels. It was great to see (especially Loose Women) these shows take no shit from the ridiculous cry-baby media.

Also, Kate Smurthwaite was on Good Morning Britain and she had absolutely no respect for the other lady who was on (who was excellent, by the way. She took no shit and didn't appreciate these women acting like children when men also have uniforms). Kate would laugh over her and generally not listen to her points.

Anyway, it's great to see you have managed to put your opinion out there too, and be heard.

[–]hackableyou 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are amazing. Our movement needs more men to speak up. I think the biggest problem when it comes to gender is that men just are not involved in the conversation about gender and that is a shame.

[–]Tedesche 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's incredible, I can't believe they actually offered you page space to respond. Not used to seeing that happen. Congrats!

[–]dontpet 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Good on you. Thanks for making the point in such a graceful way.

As an aside, I'm in new Zealand, grew up in Canada. My stereotype of Aussie business men from 20 or so years ago was that they wore shorts with their suit. Don't know where I got the idea. Would still be hot though.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

My stereotype of Aussie business men from 20 or so years ago was that they wore shorts with their suit.

I can assure you we don't and never have.

[–]dontpet 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe you. I think it came from a book I had about social norms in Australasia when I first came to NZ.

The Nz story was that you should expect that men and women separate after dinner with the women going into the kitchen and cleaning up together and the men having a beer or whatever somewhere else.

My kiwi friend laughed at the very idea of it. Still happens most times though.

Anyway, good on you for taking the time and speaking out. One of the things I've learned as a men's advocate is that very few men speak out despite there being a strong case to present. Thanks for taking it on.

[–]vhisic 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ive worn shots to the office in summer, not as a suit mind you.. But on a fuck off heatwave day i aint suiting up.

[–]civilsaint 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well if you don't wear shorts, how do you ride your kangaroos to work?

(I'm American...I'm pretty sure there are some of us that believe that happens)

[–]Greg_W_Allan 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't drive the Kanga any more. The drop bears got him.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha, I wish

[–]jak_22 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't know where I got the idea.

AC/DC's Angus Young?

https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2009/8/24/1251110790746/ACDC-guitarist-Angus-Youn-001.jpg

[–]MenandBoysareGood 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Great job!

It's funny because in our office the women can wear whatever they like but the men have to wear suits and ties....so when summer comes around the girls always complain about the air conditioner and so they get their way. They're usually real comfortable while us guys are sweating.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My experience exactly. Men need to buy clothes that we would never wear anywhere but the office, whereas women in many organizations are largely free to buy wardrobes that they can mix and match with for any occassion.

Thanks for highlighting the Climate Control Wars. Clearly the temperature should be set where guys don't have to risk indecent exposure charges to stay cool and where the odd chilly female can put on a cardigan and/or wear thermals.


Loved the article btw...

Men have the same issues as women when it comes to workplace attire — if not worse. Nothing is more fun than being looked down upon when you forget to wear a tie, only to have a woman in the office walk past in a bright pink skirt.

So true.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Congrats!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Whilst I agree that men's suits are uncomfortable, what needs to be understood is that high heels are, quite literally, physically bad for health. Over long periods of use they can cause back, knee, hip and foot issues.

I think dress codes are acceptable, but not to the point of causing physical damage to a person. This can be chronic damage in the form of high heels, or acute damage in the form of heat exhaustion.

I'd like to see smart casual more accepted. And flat enclosed shoes for everybody.

[–]rg57 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think that, to the extent there are dress codes, they cannot have a double standard for men vs women.

If anyone "must" wear certain shoes, then everyone has to wear those shoes, regardless of sex.

The company should offer a range of things that may be worn, which includes things men or women would feel is appropriate to their sex, and let all employees choose without limitation from the entire list.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Sounds fair.

[–]civilsaint 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great job! The article was presented very well.

[–]CrustythePrawn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good job, I have included a link to your article in this blog post about workplace discrimination and harassment

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, this is really good work. Thanks for including my piece in it :D

[–]icecow 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"So women, wear your flats,"

This part is the only part they heard and what made your article sell.

[–]vhisic 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good read, thanks for putting it out there.

I agree with her points, its still to dictate that you cant work job unless you are in heels. That company needs to check up on their dress policies. Its a silly thing to complain about to media like this, she could easily look into unfair dismissal as opposed to just becoming a victim doe the news. That being said the last line of the article puts it right

this isn’t a gender issue.

While a silly policy, im guess this is just one of many weird dress standards this company has and im guessing many just as strange ones for men.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"So women, wear your flats, but understand that us men have the same raw deal that you do and that this isn’t a gender issue."

That's a good conclusion to diffuse the gender hostilities.

Good point about the shirt collars irritating the neck skin.

I hate those business jackets.

They are so tight around the arm-chest area.

I have to remove them to drive otherwise they cut off blood circulation to my arms.

[–]rg57 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't be too happy:

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