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Judge says he wouldn't have found man guilty of sex assault

renik79

April 3, 2016
38 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.thewhig.com/2016/04/01/judge-says-he-wouldnt-have-found-man-guilty-of-sex-assault
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Title Judge says he wouldn't have found man guilty of sex assault
Author

renik79

Upvotes 38
Comments 12
Date April 3, 2016 1:59 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4d68dn/judge_says_he_wouldnt_have_found_man_guilty_of/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/judge-says-he-wouldnt-have-found-man-guilty-of-sex.952640
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[–]renik79[S] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What do you guys think? The Judge only sentenced the man to jail because the jury convicted the guy. The Judge clearly showed his displeasure towards the Crown.

[–]ThatDamnedRedneck 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's how a trial by jury works. Sucks to be him, but making a judgement call over whether a judge or jury is less likely to screw you over is a part of the legal system.

All things considered, his sentence did end up being pretty light.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The all or nothing verdict process makes no sense to me....

[–]20rakah 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

there is presumably an appeals process

[–]jtaylor73003 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am confused. The Judge says he wouldn't have found the man guilty, but the Judge gave the instructions to the jury. He told the jury that the would be guilty of sexual assault if they thought he did anything he was accuse of and that they didn't have to be unanimous. That set the bar against the accuse, since only that a majority to ruin his life.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why things need to be simple. Sexual assault/rape needs to be for repeated or pushed events after someone says stop and actually means it, not like a playful "oh stop".

If you're with someone and you spank her ass while pounding her pelvis into the bed, and she doesn't like the ass spanking, and you didn't ask if you could, is that sexual assault now? I think modern day feminists will say yes.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

the young man didn't stop until she grabbed his arms and told him to

So he stopped when she said no, and that makes him a rapist. Makes sense.

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the consequence of broadening definitions of sexual assault and rape from the sensible definitions of the 1970s.

[–]bertreapot 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

One jury could find you guilty when another wouldn't, one judge could find you guilty when another wouldn't. As severe and final the consequences of the legal system are, the process can be remarkably arbitrary at times.

That being said, the complaint does sound like BS. She consented to sex at first, then he tries anal, she says "ouch," stops, she goes to the bathroom, comes back, they resume sex, but stop after awhile, and she leaves.

The prosecution says the anal wasn't consensual, nor was the resumption of sex after she went to the bathroom, because the man didn't ask first. That is "affirmative consent" logic right there, which means the man has to ask "may I?" every 10 seconds or else he is a rapist. I've gone to the bathroom in the middle of sex before, was it up to my girlfriend to ask me if I wanted to resume sex when I came back to bed? Or would I still be the "rapist" in this situation because I didn't ask her?

Thankfully (or unfortunately, since he still got convicted) the judge uses common sense:

'"The accused and the complainant both have the capacity to communicate their wishes and say 'no'," he observed.'

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

HOW DARE YOU SHITLORD! SILENCE IS NOT CONSENT. A WOMAN SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY NO TO HAVE HER BODY RESPECTED!

ARRRGH!

[–]omegaphallic 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This bitch ruined this guys life over consentual sex, and people wonder why Jack Nicholson's character said that when he writes female characters he thinks of men then removes reason and accountablity.

Not that all women are like that, but fuck far too many do ruining mens lives.

[–]renik79[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only saving grace is that the paper didn't publish his name. Won't have public shaming to deal with.

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