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Teacher who had sex with student gets plea deal, celebrates on social media.

southseattle77

April 11, 2015
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Title Teacher who had sex with student gets plea deal, celebrates on social media.
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southseattle77

Upvotes 152
Comments 60
Date April 11, 2015 7:48 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPass
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/PussyPass/comments/327n2y/teacher_who_had_sex_with_student_gets_plea_deal/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/PussyPass/teacher-who-had-sex-with-student-gets-plea-deal.961105
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Comments

[–]Alvaromad 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

Not even surprised when these sentences happen to female teachers who have had sex with students anymore.....

[+]capontransfix -20 points-19 points-18 points 11 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

Not even surprised when these sentences happen to female teachers who have had sex with students anymore.....

Maher is not wrong when he says a 40 year old woman having sex with a 15 year old boy isn't as bad as a 40 year old man having sex with a 15 year old girl. This might be one case where the pussypass is well and truly valid.

[–]BobaFettuccine 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Why are they different?

[+]capontransfix -21 points-20 points-19 points 11 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link

Because two different things often have differences which differentiate them from one another.

Edit: I though giving a brainless answer to a witless question would be okay in a humorous sub like pussypass. Apparently not. Real answer is this: men and women are not identical. Equal? Sure. But, as people in this sub are supposed to understand, equal does not mean identical. Women and men, biologically and psychologically, have different gender roles. The point of /r/pussypass is to call out those who seek to play the gender card only when it suits them. For instance, the feminist who punches a dude in the face on this sub yesterday when he jokingly protested for "menenism" .

I'm not saying what they did to that boy wasn't a crime, or wasn't wrong.

Show of hands, who here (guys only), would have felt violated if two of his female high-school teachers, both moderately attractive, came onto him and wanted him to have a threesome with them. Would he feel as vulnerable and violated as your average teenaged girl being solicited for a three way by male teachers?

[–]sockmess 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So by that logic, male teacher and male student, where do you stand?

[+]capontransfix -11 points-10 points-9 points 11 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Who's the top and who's the bottom?

[–]sockmess 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Case A the student is pitching and case B the student is catching.

[+]capontransfix -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, it would obviously depend on the specifics, and I'm not sure top/bottom is the same as pitcher/catcher, but I would say that if the student is the one doing the penetrating, it would be harder to argue that he was being coerced. If he is underage, it is illegal and it shouldn't be happening at all, just as is the case with any teacher/student sexual liaison.

[–]sockmess 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The pitcher is the one giving the dick, the catcher is the one receiving the dick. While some gay men stick to one role, some switch up roles during the sexual act that they both be catcher and pitcher.

[–]capontransfix -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I do understand that, that's why I said I don't think pitcher/catcher is the same as top/bottom.

[–]431854682 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

We're talking about adults who prey on children. I don't think biological differences in the physical act of sex make up for that.

[–]capontransfix -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say they make up for it; I was saying they are factors relevant to just how egregious a crime was committed.

A 15 year old boy can be tried as an adult in a criminal case, he can drive a car under supervision, he can legally father a child...but if he has consensual sex with a creepy thirtysomething woman, he immediately becomes a child and she immediately becomes a monster?

I just don't think these teacher/student relationships are always so cut-and-dried, and I think it is probably more often the case with female perpetrators than male perpetrators that the young person is not coerced. I am not saying any of these examples are not crimes.

[–]431854682 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well I believe that teachers shouldn't diddle kids. If they want to, then they should wait until they are no longer in a position of authority above them before beginning to pursue a relationship.

School is where our children go to develop socially and learn about the world. I don't care how well developed you think the kid might be, teachers shouldn't be going after them.

[–]Gorge2012 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a fantastic point.

[–]Dinosauringg 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I'm being real, though, my band teacher in High School was only 24ish and if she had started dating one of the 18 year old students none of us would have cared. Now, I see how fucked up that is, but we wouldn't have given a shit.

[–]kutwijf -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

"adults who prey on children" so that's what this teacher is??

The boy is 16, not 8.

Imagine for a second that this woman could be getting both a pussypass, and reasonable punishment. Mind blown eh.

[–]431854682 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Imagine for a second it was a male teacher with a 16 year old girl. Do you have the same opinion?

I believe in more severe punishment than this woman received.

[–]kutwijf -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I do.

[–]EasyMoneyIsEasy 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well guess what, the punishment is not even close.

[–]kutwijf -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I realize that.

Edit: If you haven't realized, It's the pussypass that upsets me here, not the crime. I'm being downvoted because people can't handle a difference in opinion.

[–]BobaFettuccine 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"A brainless answer to a witless question" Ha, you're a jerk. I just wanted you to explain point of view. And no one said men and women are identical, but just because you feel like girls are more fragile or boys are more willing doesn't mean these types of relationships are ever in the best interest of the student. The teacher is still taking advantage.

[–]capontransfix -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I've re-read that since posting and I regretted using that phrasing even before your response, but I felt going back and editing it would just make me seem even more weaselly, so I'm just eating the downvotes.

I think, however, that you are putting words in my mouth, and not really reading what I'm saying before judging. That is partly my fault by starting off trying to be a funny smartass. But...

doesn't mean these types of relationships are ever in the best interest of the student. The teacher is still taking advantage.

I never said any of that. I said one is is not quite as bad as the other. From the same post you are characterizing, I said quite clearly:

I am not saying what they did to that boy wasn't a crime, or wasn't wrong.

You're taking my comments about some moral grey area, and casting them as in black and white. Like I said that is partly my fault for starting off snide, and I offer my apology for that.

Nowhere in any of my comments will you find me to have said women sleeping with their underage male students is a good, or even okay thing.

[–]Doomblaze 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

the shit people get angry about is this

Show of hands, who here (guys only), would have felt violated if two of his female high-school teachers, both moderately attractive, came onto him and wanted him to have a threesome with them. Would he feel as vulnerable and violated as your average teenaged girl being solicited for a three way by male teachers?

because it perpetuates thinking like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikd0ZYQoDko

implying that guys all want to score with attractive woman even if its rape

[–]capontransfix -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's just ridiculous. That statement does not lead to that kind of thinking. It leads to thinking. And it's a very salty statement, so it also leads to knee-jerk reactions. I got plenty of those knee-jerks; enough that none of you got got to the thinking part.

At least now I know this sub is not a safe place to express and exchange minor differences of opinion. Another once-good sub reduced to another circle-jerk of people who want to react with outrage and then move on to their next outrage. . It's unhealthy and sad.

[–]Doomblaze 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

what makes this an unsafe place? Do you feel threatened by my statement? I thought about what you said, and the implication I got from it was that a guy would enjoy a threesome with 2 female teachers. I got that implication because of how people treat men getting sexually harassed. They think the guy is lucky and should be happy for being harassed or raped, instead of being violated. Many people do not recognize female on male rape as rape. In government rape reports, its called "Forced penetration" and carries less weight than a male raping a female.

Judging from your previous posts in this thread, you do not think that a male getting raped by a female is as bad as the other way around.

a 40 year old woman having sex with a 15 year old boy isn't as bad as a 40 year old man having sex with a 15 year old girl

Of course this is a circlejerk sub. Its a bunch of posts about woman who get away with doing shit. It was never a good place for discussion LMAO. You seem to think so too

I though giving a brainless answer to a witless question would be okay in a humorous sub like pussypass

[–]Dinosauringg 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it would have fucked me up so badly.

[–][deleted] 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]KageStar 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Retired Teacher

I'm sure it was a voluntary life choice to retire when they revoked your license.

[–]chances_are_ur_a_fag 43 points44 points45 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Only God Can Judge Me."

sorry, bitch. you ain't 2pac.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

/r/hotpass

[–]konoplya 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

seriously, i mean.. i'd smash. not justifying her, just saying.

[–]Albaek 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That 16 year old student must have some serious game. That's probably the hottest 32 year old I have ever seen.

[–]kutwijf 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, most 32 year olds are unattractive.. because they are so old, right bro?

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A well deserved one too. I think attractive people should be given more lenient sentences because it's nice for the rest of the population to see us in public. A good looking person in prison is a waste.

[–][deleted] 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Poopsturrbator 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They'll probably really throw the book at her and tack on another month to that probation!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully that judge sees this and just sends her for the maximum.

[–]Alex-Murphy7 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

How is no one mentioning that she will not only not have to go to jail but will also NOT have to register as a sex offender? That's the important part. She could potentially go right back to working with kids in the future.

[+]kutwijf -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And?

[–]thatguy2366 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

...buying the wrong ink, forgetting to take the dog out, not getting to an appointment on time are mistakes. Sleeping with a 16 year old as a teacher might probably be slightly more than a mistake. That's just me though.

[–]MalakElohim 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

..buying the wrong ink

Fountain, dip or calligraphy pen?

[–]thatguy2366 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking printer but that'd be amusing if I had someone buy me writing ink instead.

[–]MalakElohim 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I've had a laser printer at home for so long that I forgot there were ink jets.

Edit: laser. Silly phone autocorrect.

[–]thatguy2366 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No kidding not to mention printer ink is damn expensive.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice

[–]javi404 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have no problem with a young adult having sexual experiences with a teacher. What I do have a problem with is her getting a pussypass. A male teacher would be going to prison.

[–]diggyziggy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They should lock up anyone that's willing to have sex with a child! Male or female

[–]431854682 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They should take appropriate actions. The fact that men are treated so much differently than women shows that either this is not the appropriate course of action, or the men aren't being treated appropriately. I personally think the true punishment should lie somewhere in the middle of the two, and it should definitely be less lenient than this.

[–]GV18 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's 16. Like legally it's an issue, but only in some states. The bigger issue is that she used her position to get near him.

[–]kutwijf -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's happy with the ruling, all things considered. I don't blame her.

Using the word "celebrates" is a tad sensationalist, don't you think?

[–]KaktitsM -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

But if it was consensual, where is the problem? The fact that the guy was below the arbitrary chosen 18 year age? (its actually 16 years of age where I come from)

[–]GV18 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most places have an issue with teacher-student relationships.

[–]southseattle77[S] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

There's a reason it's illegal for teachers to have romances with their students. It looks all sorts of shady and coercive and manipulative.

[–]KaktitsM -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It should be illegal because it LOOKS shady and manipulative? Sure, if it actually is manipulative, then its wrong, but if its consensual?

[–]431854682 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Teachers are place in a position of trust and authority over students. If they have relations with those students it undermines that relationship. We can't be sending our children to a place where they will be preyed upon.

[–]jeegte12 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His point is to ask whether all of these cases involve preying.

[–]southseattle77[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A person under a certain age is unable to consent. People at younger ages are easier to manipulate and coerce. You can make a kid think it's their idea. Anyone who works around teenagers can tell you that this is an easy group of people to manipulate.

[–]sockmess -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Teacher student relationship and consent laws. Just like it's illegal for a 17 year old to smoke cigarettes and a 20 year old to drink alcohol.

If she was 20 in Seattle she would be legal for consent laws since a 16 year old can consent to an adult 4 years older than them. It starts at 14 and ends at 16.

[–]KaktitsM 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Even more arbitrary numbers.

[–]431854682 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Would you rather it be completely left up to discretion? A line needs to be drawn somewhere.

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