Great debunking of the 1 in 3 men would rape study

you_cant_banme · 2016-01-10T19:19:26+00:00

"there wouldn't be any consequences"

That has always been my biggest beef with it. If an action has no consequences, there's no reason to say it's not moral to do that action, and if it's not immoral, there's no reason to not to the action. If you open up the question with "there wouldn't be any consequences", an answer of "yeah, I'd do that" should be perfectly acceptable.

girlwriteswhat · 2016-01-10T22:09:44+00:00

My comment left on the article:

"Edwards et al (2014) do not explicitly mention how they managed such a feat, but I think the answer is clear from the labeling in one of their tables: "Any intention to rape a woman" (emphasis, mine). What the researchers did, then, was code any response other than a "1" as an affirmative; the statistical equivalent of saying that 2 is closer to 5 than it is to 1.

Actually, it's worse. A random, obscure YouTuber going by the name of Mr1001nights actually wrote to the authors. They indicated to him that they did NOT in fact use the 1 to 5 scale.

Apparently they used a modified Malamuth scale of 0 to 100, where 0 was "not at all" and 100 was "very likely". Any answer above 10 on this scale was placed in the "intentions group".

This is egregious on two fronts. 1) if we were to overlay a scale of 1 to 5 on top of a scale of 0 to 100, anything under 20 would be considered a "not at all" or "not likely at all". Yet these researchers included anything above 10 to be "intent to rape a woman".

2) Malamuth himself warned that his scale could not be used to predict future behavior, as it is impossible to consider every potential condition a human being might be placed under. This means for one that some of the "not at alls" might indeed rape if placed in a situation outside of their imagining (such as guerrilla warfare). It also means that some of the "very likelies" may well not engage in behavior they themselves believe they would, when a given opportunity presents itself.

People who answer on a survey that they would "very likely" kill their boss if they knew they could get away with it may not end up doing it even if they had every opportunity to do so.

The "study", if one could call it that, represents the absolute worst of advocacy research. And that's not even getting into the tiny, homogenous sample size (86 students to whom the authors had ready access, I doubt any of them were majoring in business or engineering) and how it was projected onto the broader population of college men.

They'd have been more accurate to say, "1/3 of pro-feminist hipster douchebags taking college po-mo and interdisciplinary studies courses would rape a woman if they knew they could get away with it."

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splodgenessabounds · 2016-01-11T07:31:07+00:00

Thanks for the link. Marczyk clearly sets out the problems with not just the conclusion (that 1 in 3 men rape) but the unjustified assumptions that lead to it.

mwobuddy · 2016-01-11T03:00:29+00:00

This is like I said before. I've had sex with someone before because she was already naked, and we were in the shower, and she was putting the moves on. I wasn't attracted to her, but I didn't want to be rude, so I just mechanically went through it. Because I wasn't enthusiastic about it, because I was ambivalent, because I felt socially compelled to go through with it, I was apparently a victim of coercion and possibly even rape, if the moderate feminists (in the former), or the crazy femnazis (in the latter) had a say in it.

Yet I did not feel like a victim, the way people are trying to PRESSURE GIRLS AND WOMEN INTO FEELING LIKE VICTIMS, in very similar circumstances, such as not wanting to be rude, being unsure about it but letting it go foward, etc.

Maybe I'm a victim, just like those females, and I just don't know it because I've been blinded by the patriarchy or feminism to believe I can't have been a victim because I'm a man... or maybe its because I knew damn well I could stop it if I chose, so I chose to allow it to occur and thus it was my responsibility and choice, which means I implicitly consented.

Title	Great debunking of the 1 in 3 men would rape study
Author	Kungfoohustler
Upvotes	75
Comments	20
Date	January 10, 2016 5:38 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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