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r/mensrights was on CBC last night. See the debate at 18 minutes

gannex

November 9, 2015
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/r/MensRights
http://www.cbc.ca/news/the-national-for-november-08-2015-1.3310238
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Title r/mensrights was on CBC last night. See the debate at 18 minutes
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gannex

Upvotes 17
Comments 10
Date November 9, 2015 2:54 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

A win on points for Kay. He wasn't setting out to defend any MRA positions, but he did a very good job in a biased panel with a biased moderator in repeatedly bringing the subject of conversation back to the authoritarianism and intolerance of the feminists.

Jonathan Kay: Adam, are you telling me that a student group has been created that's oppositional in nature, that's going against established ideologies? That's a scandal.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/359986.php

The common response of my generation is "these delicate flowers are in for a real shock when they enter the real world."

I am more worried the effect this generation of students will have on the real world. We are breeding a generation whose first impulse is to appeal to power, and to demand that "the Man" crush people that the local majority finds offensive, or out of step, or in some undifferentiated way non-conforming in their ideas.

[–]casusbelli1 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

A win on points, yes, but his delivery--constantly interrupting, making it difficult for the other panelists to get their points across--made it a loss. I think, given the length of the segment, it would have been difficult to have a proper discussion, but Kay nevertheless should have let the other panelists finish their thoughts before responding.

[–]gannex[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think he did a decently good job, but I felt that he should've argued the point that MRA is not only for defending the rights of white, straight men. I think there are a lot of good examples of how standing up for the rights of men of other races or sexual orientations is an important part of the MRA community

[–]casusbelli1 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

but I felt that he should've argued the point that MRA is not only for defending the rights of white, straight men.

Yeah. I'm not white and am a MRA. I don't see how addressing discrimination in family courts, suicide rates, boys' education, domestic and sexual violence, and so on, is in any way ignoring my rights. I mean, I'm not white, but I'm still a man.

[–]gannex[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I totally agree with you. I think that the only failure of that debate was that he didn't argue the point that it's not just about straight, white men. Also, I don't think feminism helps out gay men very much.

[–]Arby01 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he was very careful to expose the absurdity of the arguments that the other panelists have without revealing or indicating that he has any particular in depth knowledge of the issues that are raised by these groups.

If he had argued that the MRA constituency was not all 'white males" then he would have had to reveal how he knew that. He might have been ok to attack, "how do you know that?", which would have been good since the refusal for a Men's Rights group at Ryerson was in response to a proposal by two women, if I recall correctly. (It is also very much my impression that the "it's all about the straight white men" argument against MRA groups is a pretty serious smokescreen and lie)

Realistically, this is the fight. To face the scrutiny that would come from showing too much familiarity would be a risk to his job, life and potentially family. He played it close to the vest. I think he was right to do so. As it becomes more accepted, which in my opinion, doesn't happen without the vitriol and noise from the Elams and Red Pillers and MGTOWs, we will see more ability to reveal that there is support for these issues.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not that I could do better than Jonathan, but seeing that the 2 feminists don't care at all about men's problems, he maybe should have just kept saying that men have the constitutional right to assembly.

[–]gannex[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

well the argument was that they should be allowed to assemble as groups at universities and receive funding like feminist campus organizations do. The constitutional right to assemble isn't in question.

Also; in Canada, we usually talk about the Charter of Rights and Freedoms when addressing these questions-- not the Constitution.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's how we say it here in Canada too - too picky.

[–]victorymonk 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he did fine. Compared to Mike's performance, he was active, stood his ground, was saying basic things. Who is he, though?

I would pick up on the male feminist saying that the opposite of feminism is misandry (no it's not feminism=/=women), and [clearly well-off] female panelist saying about historical sufferings by saying that they want to censor kids who were born many years after any presumed "historical sufferings" and who had nothing to do with any of that. BUT, it's easy for me to say when I wasn't there. What he did being on the spot is great.

PS And I wouldn't even go into the fact that I"m not sure that women in the west were not historically oppressed. Because the oppression was based on wealth/class not on gender.

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