Even feminists despise male feministas

_Actofstate · 2015-10-19T20:50:46+00:00

LMAO. This article needs to be sent to every male feminist in existence. They hate you and they don't respect you. At least "house negroes" in the South were afforded a certain amount of respect if they had some talent and could entertain at dinner parties. Male feminists aren't even given a pat on the head a ala "good doggie, keep up the good work." Feminists hate men so much they simply can't help themselves from attacking their own "allies."

You'll notice that the article is framed in terms of male feminists seeking sex (those bastards! why can't they be eunuchs!). So it's essentially a rehash of the "nice guy" trope. Women feeeeeel bad for rejecting a guy who should, according to feminism, be the ideal mate. But instead of taking responsibility for the fact that her sexuality is not "moral" she projects sinister intent onto the poor guy trying to get a date. That's a pretty awful thing to do, especially considering that "nice guys" tend have strong romantic feelings for the woman in question; they are not just looking for sex but a relationship; and their intentions are more or less pure. Converseley, "player" types who are often not terribly nice guys and who manipulate women have no trouble obtaining sex. Feminist theory is not only wrong but upside down (more than any other group, save perhaps economists, feminists have a remarkable ability to not only be wrong about a given topic but exactly 180 degrees backwards wrong).

Perhaps feminists are right that MRA's should not spend so much time criticizing them. Just give them enough rope. Lest we forgot, feminists have never accomplished a single thing in the history of the world without the help of a man. If they want to spit on and alienate even their closet "allies"/slaves, more power to them. Slaves have a tendency to rebel from time to time...

bertreapot · 2015-10-19T21:06:08+00:00

Classic feminists. Demand men act a certain way, and when they do, chastise them for it.

When I was a younger guy I had plenty of female friends who would talk about what they wanted in a man, basically a feminist wish list. Guys who fit the bill would hover around them, naturally, but the girls would end up dating and marrying regular joes who didn't give a rats ass about feminism. Of course the rejected men would be upset, cause they were giving women exactly what they said they wanted, yet the women obviously didn't actually want that. They wanted a regular guy who respected himself.

_Actofstate · 2015-10-19T21:17:50+00:00

But men looking for feminist-sanctioned romance tend to fall in to one of two categories: those who use our attraction as a sign of approval and seek out trophy feminists to clear their conscience of any inherent patriarchal wrong-doing,

Does anyone else find this extremely depressing? It's like male original sin. Of course it makes sense. Blame shifting is a classic tactic of emotional abusers and the central foundation of feminist theory is literally that all the blame and shame for sexism/gender norms lies with men. Idk, I've always felt sorry for full on straight male feminists (the ones who clearly actually do genuinely take it fully seriously) rather than hated them.

For every male feminist horror story I have lived, I’ve been told a dozen more by equally-frustrated female friends.

All those dating horror stories? Horror stories? And it's really always the man's fault?

How about this : to truly believe (as a woman) that gender norms are (at every level) a system of male collusion to ensure male advantage over women, you actually kind of have to be a cunt.

SporkTornado · 2015-10-19T22:02:07+00:00

I like to point out the differences of how male feminists and female MRAs are both treated within their respective communities.

Male feminists are looked down upon by their own community. They are constantly expected to castigate both themselves and other men.

Female MRA's are highly regarded within the men's rights community. Karen Straughan and Alision Tiamen are the two of the most respected and influential people with the MRA. Female MRAs are not expected to castigate themselves.

thrway_1000 · 2015-10-19T22:15:20+00:00

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windkirby · 2015-10-19T21:16:04+00:00

Lol at her resentment over the blowjob story. When you tell a male that he is responsible both for his sex subjugating all of womankind for millennia and for making up the difference present day, of course he is going to balk at "letting" a woman do something he sees as disempowering (something that involves his own body and parts, by the way, which she is not entitled to) because he has been taught that women are not capable of being empowered within themselves, as proven by their centuries-long subjugation. How else were they oppressed for so long unless men weren't doing enough? Herein lies the paradoxical feminist narrative. Women are independent except when men don't go out of their way to help them (???!??!?). You can't ask for special treatment and then resent getting it.

double-happiness · 2015-10-20T10:06:11+00:00

"Men need to be educated and they need to essentially unlearn masculinity [...] A man who tells me he is a feminist is an instant red flag—because it tells me he doesn't know that allyship, for men in feminism, is about humility and about knowing when to step back and when to step forward."

http://www.ravishly.com/2015/03/16/mens-role-feminism-both-complex-and-simple

"shut up and listen"

http://www.smh.com.au/national/should-male-feminists-just-shut-the-hell-up-20150606-ghfi4w.html

"Learn to be silent [...] follow the lead of women, and prioritize issues that are brought forth by women or concern women. The culture we want to move into will be women-centered [...] [Following The guidelines] does not merit reward"

http://deepgreenresistance.org/en/what-we-do/deep-green-resistance-feminist-solidarity-guidelines

"If a seat is available on public transit next to a man, take that seat rather than one next to a woman. If you are walking outside in the dark close to a woman walking alone, cross the street so that she doesn’t have to worry someone is following her. If a woman is standing alone on a subway platform, stand some distance away from her."

http://www.xojane.com/issues/feminism-men-practical-steps

"every man must accept that he’s got a monster inside him. Your job is to keep that monster down and be a better man. Men like a struggle, so here’s ours. Don’t be a dick, and don’t let your friends be dicks"

http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/article/7764/male-feminism/

"Feminism is going to make it possible for the first time for men to be free. At present the ordinary man has the choice between being a slave and a scoundrel. [...] Men don’t want the freedom that women are thrusting upon them. They don’t want a chance to be brave. They want a chance to be generous. They want to give food and clothes and a little home with lace curtains to some woman. [...] Men want the sense of power more than they want the sense of freedom [...] In short, they are afraid that they will cease to be sultans in little monogamic harems. But the world doesn’t want sultans. It wants men who can call their souls their own. And that is what feminism is going to do for men—give them back their souls"

http://thebaffler.com/ancestors/feminism-for-men

"Feminism always comes back to sex [...] For my wife, the choice between honoring our vows and fulfilling her desires was a false choice, another trap. [...] When my wife told me she wanted to open our marriage and take other lovers, she wasn't rejecting me, she was embracing herself. When I understood that, I finally became a feminist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thecut/what-open-marriage-taught_b_7849588.html

"when organizations or news outlets ask for a "male perspective" on issues such as feminism and gender equality [...] suggest a female peer"

http://mic.com/articles/101540/so-you-want-to-be-a-male-feminist-here-s-11-simple-rules-to-follow

"It’s a fact that you will hear some women/feminists say things that sound negative toward men and about men. Leave it alone."

http://feministcurrent.com/7988/how-to-be-a-male-feminist-ally/

"The fact is that even though you know better, and are truly a male feminist, you’re still stuck being the bad guy."

http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/10/you-want-to-be-a-male-feminist-maybe-dont.html

Pic related: http://i.imgur.com/xKlemOg.png

FangornForest · 2015-10-19T23:43:07+00:00

This article makes me so happy! "Well, he's nice and does everything I tell him too... but for some reason I am still attracted to that tall dark-haired asshole in the corner who doesn't give a shit about my feminism..."

Herelam · 2015-10-19T23:54:45+00:00

I lol'd at this article. Sargon of Akkad and other anti-feminsit Youtubers should make a video about this and laugh.

876867867 · 2015-10-19T23:55:20+00:00

You can't scream out that men are predatory and then expect them to listen to you.

It's having the cake and eating it too. When gender norms are more equitable to her, suddenly it makes sense. Otherwise, patriarchy.

2015-10-20T10:11:32+00:00

When it comes to dating and relating, I don’t care who opens the door for whom, or who picks up the bill.

Haha. I wonder why -- could it be because women are incredibly advantaged in dating and these things will benefit her? A very typical feminist opinion piece about wanting all the benefits of equality but zero of the responsibilities.

2015-10-20T13:40:39+00:00

Feminism has enlightened and empowered me, and now I’m using that power to put my foot down and say “no more” to the movement’s male members. bell hooks is nobody’s wingwoman. And while it may be correct to say #NotAllMaleFeminists, I would simply rather: not any.

Making sweeping generalisations about millions of people because of the (not even particularly bad) actions of a few? Sounds like a completely rational response to me! /s

2015-10-19T21:53:43+00:00

It really is amazing to me how much feminists refuse to treat other feminists as equals when the feminists in question have dicks. And yet, they STILL expect their boyfriends to be perfect, always make the first move, etc. Ridiculous.

Damn men are screwing-up feminism, I guess- which goes-back to how feminists always assume that women make better feminists.

boringcarpets · 2015-10-19T22:24:07+00:00

a great man once used a fantastic insult that i think applies to male feminists:

"they are great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies".

I dont think there's much lower than a seedy, cloying, male feminist boot licker - they literally think so little of themselves that they want to throw all men under the bus, regardless of their status (homeless, unemployed, disabled), just to get a sniff of feminist underwear. vile creatures

like worm jerry

thekingofdemons · 2015-10-20T06:08:48+00:00

So these are different men right? Not a single guy with all these "glaring" traits, right?

So she's managed to find guys who are 90% of what she wants, but she can't get past the other 10%. Wow, she's gonna be lonely.

splodgenessabounds · 2015-10-20T08:29:04+00:00

I'm one of the (many) blokes who took this silly woman (and her acolytes) to task in the BTL comments. Leaving aside for a moment that it's obvious clickbait (and that I took the bait):

1) she put up a ridiculously narrow set of non-negotiable criteria, and that's perfectly fine. Her problem is that she's now seen the fruit of those restrictions and;

2) she can't deal with it, and so:

3) it's Their Fault, because;

4) I'm ENTITLED!!1!!

So far, so predictable. What's striking is the absence of any introspection or self-examination whatsoever; it's as if the notion that she can't get a shag had nothing at all to do with her or her ideals or her behaviour.

Lastly, I can see no relevance whatsoever to feminism, however loosely you define it. All she's done is post a three-page, teenage whinge about waaah online dating sucks and got paid (probably handsomely) for it. Money for fucking jam, half yer bloody luck darling.

All I can say is: welcome to online dating, sweetheart. And I pity the poor sap who falls prey to you.

Jack92783 · 2015-10-20T16:51:47+00:00

Can't say I'm horribly surprised.

The clarion call of the male feminist is "Women are just as good as men... plus you can fuck them"

Title	Even feminists despise male feministas
Author	EnriqueRoz
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Date	October 19, 2015 7:56 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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