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VA doctor had wages garnished for alimony before beating ex-wife to death

eaton80

October 16, 2015
35 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20151015/PC16/151019537/1005/documents-va-doctor-had-wages-garnished-for-alimony-before-beating-ex-wife-to-death
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Title VA doctor had wages garnished for alimony before beating ex-wife to death
Author

eaton80

Upvotes 35
Comments 27
Date October 16, 2015 12:12 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3oxd4n/va_doctor_had_wages_garnished_for_alimony_before/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/va-doctor-had-wages-garnished-for-alimony-before.969311
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Comments

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

A violent inexcusable crime, but not at all unexpected considering the motive behind it is easy to understand given the likely context. People do turn to self destructive violence out of desperation and contempt, especially when they are forced into dire financial situations. This happens a lot in child support cases as well. some Men who are pushed into poverty over outrageous child support/alimony amounts tend to act on the thought: "If I'm going down, I'm taking you with me" . Though more commonly you just see men commit willful contempt of court, get locked up either because they refuse to pay or can't pay or just commit suicide.

[–]Funcuz 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This is a men's rights issue how ?

This guy did a terrible thing and deserves to be punished harshly. According to the story they were both 69 which implies that she spent many years taking "earning" her alimony.

Maybe it was too high or otherwise unreasonable but I'm not sure how anybody could justify her being beaten to death. Frankly, if it were the case that he wouldn't have even have enough left after garnishment to live then why did he go after his ex-wife rather than the judge ? (which, by the way, I'm certainly not suggesting he should have done. Just saying that it seems like a more natural target)

[–]Gryphoneer 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Tell me how likely this headline is. "Doctor had wages garnished for alimony before beating ex-husband to death"

Rights do more than help those who get them. They also prevent breakdowns in society.

BTW nobody justified anything in posting this.

[+]Funcuz -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But you're working against your own narrative. You're trying to argue that the media wouldn't report on such a thing but that's because the odds that a rich female doctor could beat her ex-husband to death or that she would if she could are so small that it's extremely unlikely we'll ever read such a headline in the first place.

I also didn't say anybody justified anything. I asked a simple question which was what this had to do with the MHRM. I'd still like to know because if you're trying to say that our "society" (!!!!! I fucking hate that catchall bogeyman) discriminated against this man so badly that he killed his wife then you're making an awful lot of presumptions on which you have no basis at all. Are you suggesting he was treated unfairly because he's male ? How do you know ? Are you suggesting that being ordered to pay alimony is unfair ? Maybe it is (a discussion for another time) but we don't know that that's the case in this case. In fact, we don't know much at all about this case.

[–]Gryphoneer 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

You can stop putting words in my mouth now.

Perhaps you should read the comment that says "Very few people commit these heinous crimes without a reason." This is your cue to use your brain.

[–]Funcuz -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Putting words in your mouth ? You don't even know what you're arguing, do you ? YOU DON'T KNOW the reason this guy killed his ex. YOU think that this is an MRA issue. I don't. YOU think it has something to do with ... what ? Alimony ? Or have you suddenly completely changed your mind and now think that this has nothing to do with anything that involves men's rights ? If you insist on arguing against my point then provide proof that what spurred this guy to kill his ex wife had something to do with anything that pertains to men's rights. Otherwise use your own brain and STFU. I don't care about the echo chamber votes. Either you think this is an MRA issue or you don't. Since you have NOTHING to base the opinion on that it is an MRA issue, stop arguing.

[–]Gryphoneer 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

That huffy pose makes you look really stupid after you danced around the question you were asked.

This headline doesn't happen: "Doctor had wages garnished for alimony before beating ex-husband to death"

Notice how one event comes before the other? Yeah. But you're not going to talk about it because you're full of runny shit.

[–]mwobuddy 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its sad truth that two wrongs dont make a right, but consider that he worked, and spent his life making that money. You put your "life coins" into the slot machine of a job to get a "payout". Those "life coins" are non-refundable. You have therefore imbued your life in the money you got. Now some bitch comes along and basically takes half of it from you, backed by governmental threat of violence to your person, which would steal MORE of these "life coins" from you.

The response to take away her "life coins" is completely understandable.

[–]Deansdale 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't see how living in a system that makes some men this desperate is a MR issue? Hmmm. I think it's a fuckin' injustice that men are being sucked dry by the state on behalf of exwives who destroyed said men's families, enforcing their half of a contract after it was unilaterally violated by the other party - which is a travesty of the highest caliber. To be honest I don't understand why men are this meek in the first world, it's strange how so few exes are killed in situations like this. I'm not advocating for violence, but I do say that if you force so many people into corners like this some of them will inevitably react this way. You can't expect people to just accept one injustice after another without breaking at some point. And you can wonder about who's to blame, really: the guy who broke or the ones who broke him.

The details of the case aren't clear, it seems she went to the courts requesting alimony long after their marriage has ended, in which case I totally get why he was angry at her, not the judge. I can only imagine what it would feel like for a 69 year old single man to have his wages cut severely thanks to state enforced alimony payments to someone who left him years (decades?) before. Good bye comfortable retirement...

[–]ccosby 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Any more info on this?

I'm sure some will argue the alimony doesn't begin to justify his actions but I'm wondering what the details were. IE was the alimony something outrageous where he didn't see another way out? Was this a long fight that broke him?

[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

There's no info that would mitigate this. Needle in arm, lethal injection. done.

[–]ccosby 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm not trying to justify his actions. I'm wondering though if he was just insane to begin with or was he pushed too far and snapped.

[+][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't matter.

[–]kylemon10 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Why not? A better understanding of what causes tragedies like these can help in preventing them.

[+][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Don't use a case like this as "this is why alimony is wrong".

[–]kylemon10 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't. You inferred it.

[–]SlimThugga 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But it is. I'm sorry, dude. I will sound like an asshole, I probably am. I don't care. But it fucking is. Very few people commit these heinous crimes without a reason. Yes they are sick and broken but they often don't turn that way out of the blue. I'm sick of everyone washing their hands and ignoring the obvious elephant in the room whenever men do crazy shit like this, but whenever some woman kills her kids, all you can hear is how the poor thing was so traumatized/battered/stressed/etc. Both these cases are extremes. People, men and women, do bad shit, and they should be punished, but let's not shove our fingers in our ears and pretend it happens for no reason, or that whatever bad shit they went through couldn't possibly have ANY blame whatsoever in the outcome.

Maybe this guy is a sick fuck, and no amount of happiness in his life could have prevented him doing what he did, but the outcomes to being saddled with alimony aren't very good. You end up either poor, dead (suicide, internalized aggression), or flip your shit and murder someone (externalized aggression).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Angry or not this was premeditated. He had time to rationally think this through as well as the repercussions. Guy is a cold blooded murderer.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But it is. I'm sorry, dude. I will sound like an asshole, I probably am. I don't care. But it fucking is. Very few people commit these heinous crimes without a reason.

And within the context of the whole Men's Rights thing, it reads to a lot of people like paying alimony is such a hassle that it warrants killing someone.

[–]ccosby 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it does. Read up on criminology. Is this something that could have been reasonably prevented? You just don't say kill him and be done. You try and find out why to see if we can learn from it. The guy might have just been insane and reused to have anything to do with her. In that case were their warning signs that should have been caught? It might have been a long string of attacks against him that pushed him into a corner that left him with either no way out that he could see or just wanted to get revenge. Again was something missed that shouldn't have been? Is there a history of DV?

[–]Deansdale 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The way you judge him is the very same way he judged her - you both think there are actions that justify murdering someone. The difference between you and him is not that your moral values are higher but that you want the state to bash his head in, you wouldn't want your own hands dirty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Executing someone for beating someone to death is not murder.

[–]PseudoRapist -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I was on the Jury Id find not guilty and if need be hang the Jury. Jury nulification. Oh and if asked beforehand by the prosecutor during selection Id pretend I didnt know what that was. If possible Id comunicate that to the defense to get them to pick me for the trial.

[–]PseudoRapist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She likely abused him subjected him to DV for mmany years prior to divorce rape. Women get off using this excuse so why shouldnt men.

[–]DillipFayKick -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a sad story. There is no way to justify such an action as murder. There just isn't. I don't like the idea of alimony either, but it's no justification.

[+][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This man deserves the death penalty.

You do NOT refuse to pay your alimony, and decide to beat her to death to avoid paying.

You refuse to marry in the first place.

This is dispicable.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

or you refuse to pay alimony and take a path of non violence.

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