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Feminism, SJWs, and the turn against Enlightenment

Ferociouslmbecile

June 20, 2015
39 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/feminism-and-the-turn-against-enlightenment/17057#.VYWC8kaTKkV
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Title Feminism, SJWs, and the turn against Enlightenment
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Ferociouslmbecile

Upvotes 39
Comments 12
Date June 20, 2015 5:24 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3aiym7/feminism_sjws_and_the_turn_against_enlightenment/
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Comments

[–]BookOfGQuan 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well, I left a few comments (and also posted in my tribalism piece). The article is good, except for the wallbanger attack on the MRM, in which the author mindlessly attacks (and misunderstands) one of the few bastions of the progressive movement the decline of which he elsewhere decries.

[–]HQR3 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

except for the wallbanger attack on the MRM

Without the least sense of irony, even harsh critics of feminism feel the necessity of casting aspersions on us. They seem unaware that by validating one of that hate movement's more successful smear jobs they're doing its bidding. Damn! Even pundits who are 99% in agreement with our positions feel the need to disavow us. And I'm also thinking of some of most successful vloggers, folks who say exactly the same thing we do, arguably more eloquently.

[–]BookOfGQuan 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You know, sometimes I wonder if that's the role the MRM plays. After all, in the religious texts, the Patriarch (there's an amusing word given the general context) never enters the promised land, right? I do, somewhat cynically, wonder if the ultimate value of the MRM is to start the ball rolling and keep it rolling until the mainstream has essentially picked up the plot... and is still deriding the MRM.

[–]Korvar 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To an extent, that's what's happened to Feminism. What's the statistic? 80% of the population want equality, while only 20% call themselves "Feminist"?

[–]BookOfGQuan 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That analogy doesn't work, in that feminism was never about "equality"; that was merely the term they used to define their efforts - both good and bad - to achieve positive things for females who politicise their femaleness, working from an ideology that justified its approach with a threat narrative about a supposed oppositional male tribe that was, and always had been, oppressing them for its own advantage.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Everyone here should read this article. I haven't yet seen someone who so keenly grasps what post-wave feminism has become: a cloak used to reintroduce regressive schools of thought back into all aspects of government and culture. This is why there's a split between egalitarians like C. H. Sommers and modern feminists. One side values enlightenment ideals, one despises them. This is bar none the best "big picture" article I've read about the feminist/SJW reactionary phenomenon.

[–]BookOfGQuan 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mostly agreed - except that he stumbles badly in refusing, despite all his own evidence, to hold feminism accountable for this, and he makes a bizarre attack on the men's rights movement which is one of the few remaining defenders of the liberalism he insists we must uphold.

[–]Lurker_IV 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

fta:

The rise of this new feminism in the West is strange, for two reasons. The first is that all the other political movements of which feminism was once considered a close cousin have withered. Student radicalism — of the progressive variety — is a thing of the past. Left-wing groups continue to shrink. The anti-war movement is a shadow of its former self. And yet feminism, which in its modern form emerged around the same time as those movements, is soaring,

This is explained easily enough. All those other groups actually threaten the actual real power structure in our society. The rich, the powerful, the upper class. Nobles vs. peasants, same as it ever was. The rise in power of Feminism is a classic divide and conqueror tactic to keep fighting each other rather than them.

edit: I think this is also why they threw in the little bit of anti-MRA at the end as well. Because so many MRAs think it being "anti-feminist" is integral to the very definition of MRA. And this thinking just feeds into the divide and conquer infighting the Nobles want.

[–]BookOfGQuan 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is soaring even as the other movements he mentions shrink because feminism co-opted them and turned them from their original goals toward the goal of feminism - which is to propagate feminism and the assertions and falsehoods upon which its ideological platform is founded.

[–]Blutarg 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh, fuck that guy.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Gee, i really wish i hadn't wasted my time reading that. He gets a few things right, but seems hellbent on exonerating New Feminism by constantly claiming it's just being co-opted by nasty people who are against modernity. It's like he both blames New Feminism and doesn't blame New Feminism. But what really gets me is his insistence that New Feminism's constant attacks on men add up to misanthropy! How the hell does saying "Men are shit and women are wonderful" add up to an attack on the whole human race? It doesn't, but i guess he's just another asshole who can't see misandry no matter how obvious it is. Rather ironic bit of irrationality, coming from someone who otherwise seems to be defending reason! Far as i can remember, this is the first Spiked piece i have read and it does nothing to make me want to read another.

[–]BookOfGQuan 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially odd in that he condemns and criticises feminism for its assumption that the human endeavours it attacks are default male, so he is openly admitting that feminism attacks that which it perceives as male, with disastrous consequences for everyone, yet he won't acknowledge the very truth his argument rests upon by naming that misandric impulse for what it is. Then again, the whole article, while very valuable and effective, is weakened by its consistent inability to overcome tribalist instinct/conditioning and directly attack the politicized females at the heart, who are the ones largely responsible.

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