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What do you guys think? "Caitlyn Jenner and what it means to be a man"

transpride86

June 4, 2015
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http://themanguide.com/caitlyn-jenner-what-it-means-to-be-a-man/
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Title What do you guys think? "Caitlyn Jenner and what it means to be a man"
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transpride86

Upvotes 3
Comments 19
Date June 4, 2015 1:20 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/38ijpa/what_do_you_guys_think_caitlyn_jenner_and_what_it/
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[–]runrunes24 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

although it's a bit sad that such a personal moment has been so publicly exposed, it's a good thing being able be however and whateve you are openly.

[–]hellofamen 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Now we know that part of the measure of a man is being comfortable in your skin and comfortable enough in your identity to understand yourself, and to stand up even if others won’t stand with you. Just like Caitlyn Jenner did. It’s about having the courage to live the life you want to live, need to live, were born to live. And Caitlyn Jenner showed that courage in spades." so true

[–]criskyFTW 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree one hundred percent.

Me being trans might have something to do with it, but I can say from personal experience that it's one hell of a tough road - one I think may have been made slightly easier with money in Caitlyn's case.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Whatever you're going through it's almost always preferable to be rich.

/exception: peasant uprising where they're beheading the rich.

[–]criskyFTW 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true.

[–]TonyHTonyH 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This was Bruce Jenner's decision and as long as he's happy and his decision does not adversely affect anyone, I say, "good for you." What's ironic here is the fact that, as men, we can actually learn more about what it means to be a real man from his actions than we can from the actions of say Sepp Blatter or countless others.

[–]GenderNeutralLanguag 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Life is very hard for most transgendered individuals. What I'm going to say about Jenner should by no means be applied to the transgender demographic as a whole, only this one specific case.

This looks like a publicity stunt to me. While I can't say for certain if Jenner is or is not truly trans, coming out on the cover of Vanity Fair screams of a publicity stunt. I rather expect that Jenner will now try to compete as a woman in sporting events to draw even more attention. Jenner still has the hips and muscles and other notable gender differences of a man. Even at 65, this highly athletic male body will be able to compete with and possibly out preform 20 year old female bodies.

I'm seeing a publicity stunt to get around the rules of male exclusions in women's sports, not an actual coming out of the closet story.

[–]SlayerS_ThorZaiN 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I agree.

This is a huge publicity stunt, like everything else the Jenners and the Kardashians fucking do.

That being said transgenderism is a disease that shouldn't be encouraged.

[–]tygertiger 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I have sympathy for trans people. I do not think it's okay to cut off healthy body parts in order to 'become' the opposite gender, nor do I feel the need to participate in his delusion by referring to him as 'she'. He is XY and always will be.

[–]criskyFTW -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It IS a mental disorder, technically.

One cured by hormones, and (in many cases) surgery.

[–]SlayerS_ThorZaiN 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Those aren't cures, thats wood on the fire. Trans people will most likely kill themselves even more after hrt and especially surgery. MOST will die within 8 years of surgery.

[–]criskyFTW 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'M aware. I'm trans. You don't seem to understand what that is caused by though.

[–]SlayerS_ThorZaiN 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not by the surgery or the HRT of course, I'd assume mostly societal pressure and identity troubles?

[–]criskyFTW 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

HRT actually does sometimes have crazy side effects that are sometimes fatal (failed livers, blood clots, stroke).

With any surgery there is a chance of infection or rejection (though rare).

Then of course there are societal oressures, monetary pressures (many trans people are very poor, because it is very difficult to find work while transitioning and until recently we weren't really covered by many discrimination clauses.

We are a very small minority that the general population until recently saw as a joke. The thing is though, it is a thing that needs to be handled in a safe manner. Through transition and assimilation.

[–]TonyHTonyH 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems like many of those who worshipped him as a hero after the Montreal Olympics are now criticizing him, while their children and grandchildren could care less. Those too young to have been alive in the 70's seem to be much more accepting of alternative lifestyles. Kudos to the young!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't affect me, don't care. Do what makes you happy and if it doesn't me, not my problem.

That being said as far biology goes, he's still a man and when it comes down to it that's the facts.

[–]llordylord -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are all transgenders attention whores?

[–]NWOslave 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It happens when your DNA magically changes from male to female. Oh wait.......

[–]NWOslave -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The #1 MRA reddit posting this week is Bruce Jenner is a woman and how much adoration you can show. Just wanna say congrats to the folks that started this subreddit. Your dreams have been achieved. Next week on mens rights reddit, Bruce, now known as Caitlyn will elaborate on how he, or rather she, daintily wipes her bottom when he/she sits down to pee in the ladies room. Mensrights reddit it's truly everything you'd dream it would be.

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