"The Radical Plan To Eliminate Earth's Predatory Species"; wherein environmentalists want to stop all 'inequality' in nature by eliminating predators

TheIronViking · 2014-07-31T00:40:53+00:00

Non-predatory species over-populate due to lack of the predatory species keeping them in check. Food supply cannot support larger population. Animals slowly starve to death. More suffer, and for longer.

Gelo_kinleM · 2014-07-31T01:21:24+00:00

Historically, progressive thought has always moved forward by continually sliding further left on the spectrum. The idea of eliminating any suffering or "inequalities" in nature is the only logical next step.

The desire most likely stems from the core roots of progressive ideology to always improve (can’t think of a better word), a necessary step in the early 1900s. But the ideology has now come a full circle, and reversed the roles in many parts of society (feminism, gender and race quotes in higher education and certain industries). Much like how feminism will never end due to the political and institutional power the movement holds, the notion women are in a perpetual perceived state of oppression must exist in order for the ideology to hold modern day relevance. If we look at the evolution of feminism in the US starting in the 1800s, the issues were largely voting rights that were, to a certain extent, assimilated with prohibition and keeping family units intact. As we all now, feminism needs issues to fight against. Hence we get rape culture and “no gender differences” bullshit.

Progressive thought like the article you linked follows the same methodical thinking as feminism. Since the progressive movement has come a full circle, what will progressives do once they run out of ideas? The natural world seems like the only necessary step. We do it with diseases, why not with mammals?

The idea of eliminating natural predators sounds extremely farfetched right now, and the majority of individuals would likely agree. However, it is only a matter of time before a movement group emerges to fight for this kind of garbage, fat acceptance is one example. Historical timeline of the feminist movement is another example.

Should we exist in such a world, the elimination of predatory animals in the natural kingdom will be the least of a redpilled man’s concerns.

MisterDorimant · 2014-07-31T01:14:53+00:00

Hilarious. Exactly how many species of bacteria and virii are there? And they're going to just POOF eliminate them.

Thanks for the laugh.

Cyralea · 2014-07-31T15:19:23+00:00

The problem is that this entire idea is borne of the liberal bleeding heart notion that suffering must be eliminated, and that all entities are entitled to such. Perhaps there is an intelligent argument to be made, but the entire thing falls flat by suggesting that the largest source of suffering is predation. Predation is simply the easy target because it causes a visceral reaction to a passive observer. No bleeding-heart enjoys watching a fluffy rabbit getting its jugular ripped out.

The main problem is that suffering comes in a lot of forms. Not having enough to eat causes immense suffering as well, which is what would happen to a non-predatory species that had to compete for resources. Even if we could develop sufficiently advanced technology such that we could feed them, there's the issue of space. Eventually you'd get aggressive, territorial behaviour, which would cause suffering. Then you go and remove that quality and you have massive overpopulation issues, which are havens for bacterial and viral infections. More suffering.

The problem with any overly progressive idea is that they're often couched in idealism, and rarely have a grounding in reality. Competition for resources is why there will always be suffering, which is incidentally partly why liberals tend to lean more heavily towards Marxist ideas.

RedPillington · 2014-07-31T14:07:27+00:00

What's in question isn't the value of the parasite or predator's ecological role, but whether intelligent moral agents can perform that role better.

let me save you some time, bro: no, they can't.

frequentlywrong · 2014-07-31T18:00:13+00:00

An intelligent person can be remarkably dumb when he applies his intelligence to something he knows absolutely nothing about.

A pretty mind-blowing video that demonstrates just how absolutely moronic this idea is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q

MaunaLoona · 2014-07-31T13:32:36+00:00

IO9 is part of the Gawker network. Clickbait.

Silverbacked · 2014-07-31T19:15:26+00:00

Holy shit Dave Pearce is still going strong! I knew this guy when I lived in Brighton in the 90's.

The title is clickbait. Dave's arguments are a lot more rigorous and nuanced than it implies. Whatever you may think of his opinions, he's chosen an ethical and philosophical position, which he's exemplified personally and argued for calmly and rationally for the last 20+ years. He's not an academic and supports himself with a number of side businesses (when I knew him, he was a domain name speculator).

If you want to see someone who took "the road less traveled," look no further.

His website is here.

a_chill_bro · 2014-07-31T20:41:35+00:00

Assuming we can effectively engineer the genes of predatory species to not "harm" other animals, what would they eat?

These predatory species' digestive systems have evolved to process a diet of in some cases exclusively meat. If we remove their ability to hunt the food they need they will all die out.

No amount of engineering will insulate our ecosystem from natural selection. Even if we successfully carry out this ecoengineering, in some way species will balance themselves out and a new predatorial species would emerge.

SeekingAlpha · 2014-08-01T06:49:30+00:00

Some animals are more equal than others. Once these creepy rapey douche bro species have been gone for awhile, no one will remember them. In fact, remembering them will be forbidden. The children will never hear even a mention of these creatures' existence. And all will be triple-plus-good!

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Title	"The Radical Plan To Eliminate Earth's Predatory Species"; wherein environmentalists want to stop all 'inequality' in nature by eliminating predators
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