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She possibly killed someone with no consequences, I pray that this is a bait

Nick_Ern · 2024-11-13T23:11:00+00:00

I found this in another sub, had to translate...

Nick_Ern

November 13, 2024

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Title	She possibly killed someone with no consequences, I pray that this is a bait
Author	Nick_Ern
Upvotes	94
Comments	40
Date	November 13, 2024 11:11 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/EverydayMisandry
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/everydaymisandry/comments/1gqqgg6/she_possibly_killed_someone_with_no_consequences/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/EverydayMisandry/she-possibly-killed-someone-with-no-consequences-i.1535713 https://theredarchive.com/post/1535713

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It doesn’t matter. Your argument is fallacious. There are obstacles to all of those choices, none of which guarantee that he would have been able to actually escape fighting. Russia is not known for being tolerant of independent thought and free choice, so each of your proposals would have come at great personal risk. You might as well suggest that he refuse to fight by lying down on the battlefield and allowing himself to get butchered by the opposition.

Yes, he could have made any number of different choices, but the choices you think he should have made require an unreasonable level of self-sacrifice and/or competence in retaliating against an oppressive government. The details in the comment do not suggest that he supports Putin’s objective or his war in Ukraine. Quite the opposite. Therefore, your raised standards for the behavior that is expected of those who hold certain beliefs does not justify your lack of empathy.

Intent matters to your argument, and in this case, he had none. His will was taken from him by the same cruel dictator that you think is deserving of contempt. The Russian soldiers are well-acknowledged victims of the Russo-Ukrainian War, just like all Ukrainian citizens. Putin treats them like cannon fodder.

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Yes, greater personal risk than getting on the battlefield because, at least on the battlefield, he gets to fight for his life. If he wasn’t fighting for his life, then you would probably praise him. Your suggestions also do not take into account his actual means of making any of those decisions.

You’re now suggesting an unreasonable level of mass cooperation among the soldiers, which is close to physically impossible without some form of organization for such a major resistance. Some soldiers could also very well be on Putin’s side and deserving of contempt. We’re talking about one individual at the moment. There are also many protests against Putin, but the reality is that people will be scared, and we can’t expect any different of them. Selflessness should be praised, but it will always remain an unreasonable expectation.

As for whether it’s the “right thing to do,” I don’t know. Coercion serves as a consideration in many moral dilemmas that have been contemplated by philosophers for centuries. I think most people would look upon selflessness positively from the ethical perspective, but again, I’m not so sure that the same number of people would condemn self-preservation as morally reprehensible, especially when it comes to blame.

But I wouldn’t consider ethics all that relevant to your argument. When it comes to depriving certain individuals of empathy based on their harmful beliefs or actions, whatever they have done loses its impact once we recognize that it was simply carrying out the will of another based on that moral agent’s harmful beliefs. It just does. And it justifiably shifts blame to the one who forced them to do it while turning the one who actually did it into yet another the victim. Someone who forces someone else to carry out their heinous acts might even be more repugnant than one who committed the same crime by themselves.

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