Afraid of manipulation

Yesm3can · 2019-05-04T05:10:17+00:00

As you got older and older, you'd realize that there are a shitload of insecure people out there, who prefer manipulation rather than honesty telling what they want.

Depends on how strong the insecurity is, the more manipulative they are. Sometimes the manipulation even happened subconsciously for them.

Oftentimes, you will not know that you are being manipulated until it is too late. However, you developed experience everytime it happened. For example, now you know to avoid and completely break contact, with someone who sends around pictures of self-harm and diary written in blood (need to roll my eyes on this, but she was young at the time right, so maybe that's why).

Just take it as leveling up in social skills game whenever you run into some insecure, manipulative assholes and cutting ties or avoid them. Recognizing something like this takes time and I will suggest to read a book like Gift of Fear, to read on some ways people try to manipulate.

PurpleAriadne · 2019-05-04T07:27:49+00:00

And as a woman I'm afraid of manipulative men and women ... Capitalism is a game won by no one

BeholdTheOverloser · 2019-05-04T02:33:32+00:00

She doesn't sound like a nice person. I suggest making some female friends that are a positive influence in your life and share your interests. Don't focus on dating right now, but I'm assuming you view women this way is because of your lack of experience in social situations with genuinely friendly members of the opposite sex.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2019-05-04T07:25:00+00:00

You can give all hope, or not. It doesn't matter.

And it doesn't matter because as soon as you meet a trusty, honest woman, you will learn to trust again, only in HER, as a person, no matter your hopelessness. The rest of the women will be pretty much invisible.

And that is the best outcome there can be.

Coollogin · 2019-05-04T14:32:51+00:00

She was 14? 15? Teenagers are manipulative. It is a normal part of human development. Concentrate on whether the women you encounter are showing age-appropriate behavior.

MissWhite11 · 2019-05-08T18:05:45+00:00

You both seem pretty young, and tbh, being selfish, attention seeking, manipulative and poorly regulated emotions are all just kinda part of the teenage experience to varying degrees. This is doubly true with young people exploring romantic relationships. Socialization tends to encourage girls to be clingy and boys to be standoffish (both of which can be unhealthy). And Its likely there is some unhealthly behaviors your guy frienda have in these relationships you may no be as attuned to. All that said, this is a normal part of growing up and figuring yourself out so try not to judge to harshly. I also encourage you really try not group individuals together. Some girls may be messes, and some boys are too.

It seems like you are pretty emotionally intelligent and are good at setting up boundries. Which is SO important. And I think that is something you can be proud of yourself for.

catbrainland · 2019-05-18T15:03:19+00:00

Guess I wanted to get this off my chest. I really do not know what to do. What do I need to do in order to get rid of this thought that most women are manipulative?

You have one-sided perspective. Men are not honest with women either - most of men will whiteknight, telling her she's "intelligent, good friend" etc, while in reality, they're just projecting the idealized version of her.

This generally goes both ways - "shit test" is not conscious manipulation, it's just confrontation with idealized image. Same way orbiting whiteknight ascribes non-existent qualities to his crush.

The perceived gold digging is pretty much just men trying to feign being rich and successful, and then acting all surprised when women take that projected fiction for granted. The "manipulation" is mutually enforced loops of projected images as one gender tries to woo the other by wearing a mask ("honeymoon period" when this is mutually the case). The dishonesty is largely chemically induced - when you see your crush, you get a very strong motivational factor to be dishonest.

Thus women lie about N count, thus men lie about their wealth, status and accomplishments - because they both attempt to project positive image. The lies largely derive from what culture taught them the opposite gender wants. In primitive tribes, the "mating display" rituals can be profoundly different and alien compared to ours.

Red pill is useful at quantifying these deceits and ensuing real phenomena from male perspective. To some degree, feminism does the same on female side. They're usually awfuly wrong when it comes to rationalizing the underpinnings, and construct ivory towers for what is in practice fairly regular socio-cultural dynamic of feeding into each other's expectations.

They try to pin everything at ulterior motives, while in reality, most of it is just cultural imprint, boosted up by biological drive. The redpill "game" is to try to subvert natural dynamic, marketed to men who are socially retarded. However since they have no slightest clue what goes on socially, they act like a bull in a china shop, and generally just come off as woody as the panhandler asking you for money for a bus ticket on the parking lot, or a real gold digger very obviously stringing her mark along.

Title	Afraid of manipulation
Author	JordiTheDestroyer
Upvotes	12
Comments	14
Date	May 4, 2019 2:10 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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