Crosspost "Debunking the Debunkers. The SPLC still has a poorly researched hit piece against the MRM on their website." from /r/MensRights:

There is an old article but it is still currently up on the SPLC website, (which I will not link to,) and it was used recently again on a feminist sub to cast false aspersions on the MRM. I know it is old, but it is the first time I have seen it. There is an old thread about it here. I recently saw it linked by a feminist in a debate and it got me very angry because they ignore data from the very studies that they cite. The Title of the piece is

The Men's Right's Movement Spreads False Claims about Women.

1.)

THE CLAIM Men’s rights activists often insist that men are victimized by sex crimes and abuse just as much as women are, if not more. This assertion is meant to support their contention that the courts and laws outrageously favor women.

THE REALITY A major 2010 study by the Centers for Disease Control’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control thoroughly debunks such claims. Nearly one in five American women (18.3%), the study found, have been raped; the comparable number for men is one in 71 (1.4%).

It's very frustrating that in 2020, they still have this crap on their website. They apparently completely ignored the "made to penetrate" category in the CDC NISVS. Here.

Table 3.5 shows that there are about 1.7 million incidents of "made to penetrate" sexual assault against men. 80% of these are by women. When we add this to rape by men, women, and both, we find that the claim is true. Say it louder for the people in the back. If we are using the CDC NISVS, (and feminists do everytime they quote the "nearly 1 in 5 women will be raped" or 1 in 6 women will be raped in their lifetime.

This same study shows that women commit a little over forty percent of all rape, (if we count "made to penetrate" as rape.) And if we add up men's rape and their "made to penetrate" victimization rates year over for 2010-2012, they make up the majority of victims. According to the study.

SPLC COUNTERCLAIM DEBUNKED The SPLC has been found disingenuously engaging with the study and purposefully omitting the "made to penetrate" category to engage the argument. MRAs complain that this category helps the victimization of men to be swept under the rug. Their response? Sweep it under the rug again. That is to say, the CDC NISVS Survey 12 month data clearly shows men as primary victims of rape and "made to penetrate" sexual assault for the years 2010-2012. There was an average 1.5 million incidents of female on male "made to penetrate" sexual assaults each year studied. It is extremely frustrating that a great many feminists remain willfully ignorant about this when they often cite the same study to demonstrate female victimization rates.

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THE CLAIM In another effort to show that men are discriminated against, many men’s rights activists assert that women attack men just as much as men attack women, if not more. The website MensActivism.org is one of many that criticizes what it characterizes as “the myth that women are less violent than men.”

THE REALITY Men’s rights groups often cite the work of Deborah Capaldi, a researcher with the Oregon Learning Center, to back their claim. Capaldi did find that women sometimes initiate partner violence, although women involved in mutually aggressive partner relationships were more likely to suffer severe injuries than the men. But Capaldi studied only a very particular subset of the population — at-risk youth — rather than women in general, invalidating any claim that her findings applied generally. In fact, the 2000 Department of Justice study found that violence against both women and men is predominantly male violence. Nine in 10 women (91.9%) who were physically assaulted since the age of 18 were attacked by a male, while about one in seven male assault victims (14.2%) were victimized by females. Similarly, all female rape victims in the study were attacked by a male, while about a third of male victims (35.8%) were raped by a female.

Other sources cited by MRAS supporting their argument.

70% of non reciprocal domestic abuse is female on male (As reported by both men and women.)

SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600

Three decades of studies indicate gender parity in domestic abuse.

SPLC COUNTERCLAIM DEBUNKED The SPLC again engages disingenuously by framing the MRA argument as if it rested upon a single study. The MRA argument is the compromise position on DV. Men make up half of abuse victims. If we look at suicides in the context of IPV, more men than women die from IPV. (According to this research) In fact, denying the entirety of the IPV landscape it incredibly harmful to men, (and also women.) But it's based on decades of hundreds of studies on domestic violence. 1 billion dollars earmarked for the VAWA? Okay, how about another billion for men? Okay, how about 500 million? There are thousands of shelters for women in the USA. Currently, there are two in the USA. Shame on the SPLC for not doing their homework.

3.)

THE CLAIM Close to half or even more of the sexual assaults reported by women never occurred. Versions of this claim are a mainstay of sites like Register-Her.com, which specializes in vilifying women who allegedly lie about being raped. Such claims are also sometimes made by men involved in court custody battles.

THE REALITY This claim, which has gained some credence in recent years, is largely based on a 1994 article in the Archives of Sexual Behavior by Eugene Kanin that found that 41% of rape allegations in his study were “false.” But Kanin’s methodology has been widely criticized, and his results do not accord with most other findings. Kanin researched only one unnamed Midwestern town, and he did not spell out the criteria police used to decide an allegation was false. The town also polygraphed or threatened to polygraph all alleged victims, a now-discredited practice that is known to cause many women to drop their complaint even when it is true. In fact, most studies that suggest high rates of false accusations make a key mistake — equating reports described by police as “unfounded” with those that are false. The truth is that unfounded reports very often include those for which no corroborating evidence could be found or where the victim was deemed an unreliable witness (often because of drug or alcohol use or because of prior sexual contact with the attacker). They also include those cases where women recant their accusations, often because of a fear of reprisal, a distrust of the legal system or embarrassment because drugs or alcohol were involved. The best studies, where the rape allegations have been studied in detail, suggest a rate of false reports of somewhere between 2% and 10%. The most comprehensive study, conducted by the British Home Office in 2005, found a rate of 2.5% for false accusations of rape. The best U.S. investigation, the 2008 “Making a Difference” study, found a 6.8% rate.

I wish I had the source for the original claim. Nobody really knows how many false rape accusations there are. At least, that is what Dr. Lisak said at the beginning of his now famous metastudy that is mis-inferred as proving that 90-98% of all rape accusations are true.

What Lisak found in the metastudy, was that across a series of women's advocacy research, 2-11% of rape accusations taken to the police were PROVABLY FALSE to a high standard of evidence.

In the same study he defines what he means by a false report:

False report: Applying IACP guidelines, a case was classified as a false report if there was evidence that a thorough investigation was pursued and that the investigation had yielded evidence that the reported sexual assault had in fact not occurred. A thorough investigation would involve, potentially, multiple interviews of the alleged perpetrator, the victim, and other witnesses, and where applicable, the collection of other forensic evidence (e.g., medical records, security camera records). For example, if key elements of a victim’s account of an assault were internally inconsistent and directly contradicted by multiple witnesses and if the victim then altered those key elements of his or her account, investigators might conclude that the report was false. That conclusion would have been based not on a single interview, or on intuitions about the credibility of the victim, but on a “preponderance” of evidence gathered over the course of a thorough investigation

So it's exactly like a small percentage of rapes resulting in conviction. If I used that as an argument that rape was actually quite rate since only 5-10% result in conviction, I would rightly be called an idiot. However, if you use the EXACT SAME LOGIC to say that false rape accusations are extremely rare, you can start the #METOO and #Believewomen movements. That is to say, 2-11% as a range, is the bare minimum amount of false rape accusations. Keep in mind that this study was done in 2010. Ostensibly the rate of false rape accusations has gone up since the slogan #believewomen peaked in 2018 during the false rape accusations against Kavanaugh. 2 of the 3 accusations against Kavanaugh were admitted false. Ford named Leland Keyser as her corroborating witness and Leland Keyser bravely came forward to say the following:

“I don’t have any confidence in the story,” Keyser told New York Times reporters Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly in their new book, The Education of Brett Kavanaugh: An Investigation, a copy of which was obtained by the Washington Examiner.

"Those facts together I don't recollect, and it just didn't make any sense," Keyser told the authors.

"It would be impossible for me to be the only girl at a get-together with three guys, have her leave, and then not figure out how she's getting home," Keyser told Pogrebin and Kelly. "I just really didn't have confidence in the story."

"Keyser later said she felt pressure by both [Ford classmate Lucy] Gonella and Ford's friend Monica McLean to change her story," Pogrebin and Kelly wrote.

"I was told behind the scenes that certain things could spread about me if I didn't comply," Keyser told the authors.

Again, my point is multifaceted. Nobody know show many false rape accusations happen. It's an epistemological issue as you can't really do a trustworthy survey on how often people lie. There have been some studies to suggest that 1 in 10 have experienced a false accusation in their lifetime.

http://www.saveservices.org/dv/falsely-accused/survey/

I actually liked Lisak's metastudy. However, the bad inference that has been taken from it and repeated in many many articles across the web is that 90-98% of rape accusations are true, therefore, we don't need due process, we can just #believewomen and assume the accused is guilty and, in the case of Title IX, expel the person from universtiy with a permanent black mark next to his name in case he tries to apply elsewhere.

De Zutteralso did a metastudy around the same time and found that false accusations of rape were five times higher than for any other type of crime.

SPLC COUNTERCLAIM is misleading. All of the numbers they list are minimums. 2-10%, (again it needs to be 2-11% as we round 2.3% down to 2 therefore we round 10.9% up) or 2-11% are the bare minimum amount of false rape accusations taken to the police in the years leading up to 2010. In fairness, I would have a hard time defending the alleged claim by MRAs that nearly half of all accusations of rape are untrue. Kanin's study is enlightening. But it is a small sample size. The air force study found the rate as high as 90%. I am skeptical. What I do know is that everyone, men and women, are always entitled to due process and that the burden of proof is always on the accuser. There is a reason we have "Guilty until Proven Innocent." It's because equating an accusation with guilt is inherently unsustainable.


Posted by Egalitarianwhistle | 25 March 2020 | Link