https://youtu.be/zjb0UdTG2QQ?si=lLk2xe8ZA8yocGTz

I do agree with FD when he says that normal society is only 5 steps way from red-pill ideology. But me and FD would disagree where that 5 steps is coming from though. FD thinks that misogyny is so normalized in society to the point it's only 5 steps way from red-pill ideology.

While I think male gender roles expectations are so normalized in society. To the point it's only 5 steps way from red-pill ideology. We all know "positive masculinity" is just pseudo traditional masculinity with a feminist gaze. Where men are still expected to be protectors, providers, and be chivalrous towards women.

The cultural expectation remains: be useful to women, or you're disposable. This is not equality; it’s a pedestal trap.

Again me and FD agree with the symptoms of the problem. But we would still disagree on the root cause of the problem though.

https://youtu.be/BfJ6Cv2viLw?si=CLN18O-44wdxhbYd

I'm going to copy and paste a very smart comment from this second video in the link here. A comment FD replies to and still missed the point. And think only misogynistic men have a problem with what Eggs and Grits podcast dude said.

"The problem is the fact that he wants men to be accountable for other men's actions. That's like saying innocent black men should be hold accountable for the actions of other black men who commit crimes.

And calling women "spiritual," or saying it would be a "privilege" to be in their presence is cringe. That's not what you call treating women like equals. It's just putting women on a pedestal. That's not equality lol. Which is why it's valid to say this egg and grits guy and others like him are just pandering to women. If the genders were reversed women would be calling her a pick me lol. So why isn't the same rule apply to men here? 🤔

And all this "women being wary of men" is inconsistent too. I have seen women choose the bear. But still get upset when men don't approach them or interact with women anymore due to fear of coming off as creepy. Calling those men paranoid. Despite one in 5 women having a SA story and bringing up statistics to how men are more likely to be violent.

But yet again despite all of this somehow men are still paranoid or secretly creeps for interacting with women less. Now all of a sudden in this context women can know which men are creepy and not creepy. Despite saying women are wary of men, because they can't tell the difference between good men and bad men. 🤦 So which is it?"

These are actual talking points I have said on this sub. So I'm happy these talking points are being used in a random YT comment section, on a random FD video lol.

The criticism wasn’t that he’s “respectful” to women it’s that his language infantilizes women and holds men accountable as a collective, which isn't equality, it's reverse essentialism.

Feminists would call a woman who spoke this way a “pick me.” So why the double standard when a man does it?

Calling women “spiritual beings” or interaction with them a “privilege” is hollow virtue-signaling. It’s just a softer form of male pedestalization, not empowerment.

The pedestalization of women in is ironically rooted in the patarichy. And also it's hilarious how this contradicts FD point about the red-pill being 5 steps way from normalize misogyny in society.

It contradicts FD’s point because calling women “spiritual” or a “privilege” to be around is classic benevolent sexism, socially accepted, idealizing women as morally superior, which still upholds gender inequality, just with a flattering tone instead of open misogyny.

If you thought the left or Feminists fear of young boys becoming more conservative or red-pill these days was bad.

Wait till you see the left or Feminists reaction towards us. In a hypothetical. Their reaction would be far more worse if more young boys started gravitating towards the Leftwing Male Advocate sub. It would be like a satanic panic with us lol.

I compared this to the bear vs man analogy. I'm trying to be as clear as possible here. In this analogy the red-pill is the bear. And we are the random man in the woods. The same reason why women picked the bear. Would ironically be the same reason why women pick the red-pill in this analogy. Because just like the bear, the red-pill is predictable.

The red-pill is predictable in a sense that they will still maintain the status quo of male gender roles at the end of the day. While we Leftwing Male Advocates won't maintain the status quo. Therefore that makes us more scary and a worse option than the red-pill (I.E. the bear).

Because the red-pill isn't consider a problem because it harms men. It's only considered a problem because it's harm women and is misogynistic.

In an alternative world where men like the Tate brothers, or Fresh/Fit weren't misogynistic. There wouldn't have an issue in society. They could still be violent, arrogant, and as hyper masculine as they want.

But this would never be a problem in society though. As long as they don't say anything misogynistic or being bad to women. They are fine, they would even be considered great people. Ironically this is the "bar is in hell for men" rhetoric women or feminists are usually talking about. But also ironically that low bar is related to how they treat other men though.

Since they would be adhering to traditional gender roles like chivalry, which is expected of men. Therefore men like Andrew Tate can be extremely toxic to other men, and most people wouldn't care. Because again if these men aren't misogynistic, then there no problems. Because society doesn't care about men (I.E. male disposability).

Again If Tate-style masculinity wasn’t misogynistic, nobody would care how abusive it was to other men. That’s the double standard, men can be toxic, as long as their toxicity only affects other men.

In conclusion.

Like I said. The concept of "positive masculinity" is only 5 steps away from red-pill ideology. Because both define a man’s value in how he serves others, not in who he is. Until society views men as inherently worthy of empathy and autonomy, not just as tools, threats, or saviors, nothing truly changes.

Edit: And btw FD and this Egg dude are "positive masculinity" guys.

(https://youtu.be/a9EnQU5o33o?si=wa7kqlDDU4TwNA4y)

10:30 to 10:40. A clip where FD Signifier is "saluting" random men for losing their lives to protect women.