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A glimpse into the future...

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January 25, 2018

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Title	A glimpse into the future...
Author	Snowhey01
Upvotes	474
Comments	94
Date	January 25, 2018 1:37 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/7sw3ik/a_glimpse_into_the_future/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/a-glimpse-into-the-future.602287 https://theredarchive.com/post/602287

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we need to stop donating to sperm banks. thats all

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+1 because, yeah, most people don't eat enough plant-based foods (me included sometimes). I tried the vegan thing for a couple of years and lost a lot of weight on it (not a literal 'ton' but a lot). But the main reason why (you can of course lose weight on lots of different diets) is simply because, instead of eating whatever the heck I felt like, I instead started to train myself to eat more intelligently. It's very possible to eat a vegan diet without soy. I've heard a lot of 'anti-soy' stuff out there, all that stuff about 'phytoestrogens'; I don't know how seriously to take it.

I gave up the vegan thing a while back, and instead I just try to eat moderately. Little to no junk food, moderate amounts of meat, low carbs, lots of fruits and vegetables, moderate calorie count, intermittent fasting here and there, cardio, body weight resistance training. Still haven't figured it all out.

I've been thinking about trying a few recipes that use Keto principles after hearing about its popularity, and seeing that r/Keto on the sidebar here.

[–]mgtowPatience 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am mindful of daily calorie counts. I know my input to 100-200. My output is very dependent, but with a heart rate sensor watch I can trust it to +-400 calories most of the time. I basically aim for a 800 calorie deficit to lose weight. Most places list calories now, so it isn't hard.

It works.

I think the problem is that our natural systems for balancing our calorie load go out of whack really easily. You'd be surprised how much or how little you can eat calorie-wise and feel about the same. And you'd be surprised what a difference it makes to have been walking around town on a Saturday compared to just sitting in the car and office.

The ease by which you can eat your way into +-1000 calories of difference, and the ease by which your calorie burn can vary +-1000 is incredible.

It sort of blows the idea of fad diet inputs, as well as the notion of a treadmill, out of the water. The treadmill should only really be used for explicit heart rate targeted cardio training. Just put on a podcast and go for a 50 minute casual walk, and then add in a couple 10-20 minute walks during the rest of the day.

The only reason weight loss is tough is because of the easy variability I discussed. If you don't have cooking and eating habits, then you tend to eat in response to hunger, which causes you to make all sorts of haywire input choices.

And if you're in the office all day, but only add a 30-40 minute really tough treadmill workout, you're not taking away as many calories as you believe.

So weight loss is both difficult (complicated, hard to do consistently), and takes forever. But it's also not necessarily that hard (pain inducing, uncomfortable, esoteric).

The time factor matters too. Losing more than 1-2 pounds a week means that your fat cells empty out before they can shrink. That triggers an intense hormonal response which leads to this: once I lost 40 pounds in two months (5 per week). After a month and a half of different diet and exercise habits in between, I started eating a burger every so often. After that 1 1/2 months post losing weight, I started to gain a little, and then within 2 months I was back up at the 40 pounds I had lost. After the 1 1/2 I stopped looking at the scale everyday. It was after 3 1/2 weeks when my loose fitting waistline now saw a belly flab rolling over it that I checked and realized that I had gained about 20 pounds. And despite that, I still ended up getting the 20 more back.

No, weight loss has to be slow. Just write it out on a calendar, and plan your life attitudes accordingly. "Winter I'm going to be a fat guy no matter what, this can't change. Spring I'm going to be semi-fat, but even after 6 months it's not like girls will like me. Summer, maybe I can fit into some old clothes. Fall I can finally wear clothes confident without feeling like people will notice me as a fat guy."

It's tough because people have trouble accepting that even after months of weight-loss, you're still going to be a "fat guy", and have to do it for even more months. There's zero meaningful short to mid term payoff. That's why so few people succeed at it.

[–]arcb7c69e20 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I completely 100% agree with everything you said. I've experienced that cycle of gaining/losing weight several times. I used to be much heavier, well into 'obese' territory, but even today I'm still overweight by about 13 pounds. I'd prefer to get down to maybe 10 to 20 pounds below the 'overweight' line, and stay there.

From a science perspective, and from all my past experience, I agree that calorie counts are the way to go. It simply gets the job done. And moderate exercise helps too. Only thing I'd add is that 100 calories of sugar aren't the same as 100 calories of a healthier food; that's common sense, but people need reminders of common sense stuff too. (I'm actually anti-sugar enough to think about permanently removing sugar from my diet. Fruit, sure, in moderation, but no white sugar, not even a milligram. Might sound fanatical, but I think it will work for me.) On the topic of calendar marking, yeah, when I have my act together, I weigh myself daily, and record the weekly average weights into a spreadsheet. It keeps me aware of the trend, and helps me to be more patient. (There are apps that can do the same thing, and I use the Fitbit app for that, but I've found it beneficial to keep an independent log too.)

People might find it odd, but I think weight management is something that 'monk mode' helps with. I've been reading about the early Christian monastic traditions. One of the reasons they focused on fasting is because, if you can control your appetite for food, it is easier to control your other appetites. I found these two quotes interesting -

Food is to be taken in so far as it supports our life, but not to the extent of enslaving us to the impulses of desire. To eat moderately and reasonably is to keep the body in health, not to deprive it of holiness. [The Eight Vices, St. John Cassian]

Man cannot drive away impassioned thoughts unless he watches over his desire and incensive power. He destroys desire through fasting, vigils and sleeping on the ground, and he tames his incensive power through longsuffering, forbearance, forgiveness and acts of compassion. [Passions and Thoughts, St. Evagrius the Solitary]

Don't know if I'm cut out for all that monk stuff just yet. I have a tendency to curse a lot worse than a sailor, etc, so I'd make for a rather unusual monk until/unless I can get things like that under more control. But if my version of 'going my own way' is kinda 'a la carte' then I guess I get to pick and choose LOL.

People might associate the word 'fasting' with excessively long periods of no food (days/weeks), but not necessarily. It's just that in many modern civilizations, people have such ready access to such cheap food, it's all too easy to overdo it. If you keep eating until you are full, you probably ate way too much (source - many horrible past experiences); by contrast if you stop eating when you are still hungry, you're probably fine. Eat to live, not live to eat. But I'm tracking my calories too, because the numbers 'keep me honest.' At first it's a pain to track calories, but after awhile it's much easier. Now when I cook some types of food, I split it into 260 calorie portions in plastic bags, freeze it, and then I can easily re-heat it at work/home/etc and easily know the calorie count. Takes some trial and error, but much cheaper and space efficient than buying a stack of frozen meals at the grocery store.

I'm still figuring this all out! I have not come anywhere near to figuring it all out yet. But I gotta say that r/MGTOW has been one of the most positive new influences in my life for a long time. It has pointed me in a lot of worthwhile directions. The people here are a great and helpful resource.

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Bieber will be a shit stain that no one remembers.

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Every era of music has some form of experimental sounds that do not catch on, or catch on for a brief period, but ends being forgotten in time.

Bieber will never be "classic", it will be called "Dumb shit from the 2010's."

Music from the 40's up until the 80s is actually music....played on instruments, by human beings.

I don't consider dub-step, or bubblegum pop "music"

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