A question to the MGTOW community on future generations and solutions

mrp_1844 · 2017-03-13T10:47:49+00:00

I also disagree with the premise that women are inherently born to be the way they are now. I think they have been socially engineered to behave in ways that are destructive to building families,

I agree. I think this is one area where Redpill and Mgtow have it wrong.

Women are social creatures and they have been successfully programed to respond the way they do.

Do you see MGTOW as a good solution, or just the only viable option today?

If your sons are in EU, its their only viable option.

You might want to consider moving to another continent.

TheTreasureGoblin · 2017-03-13T11:09:30+00:00

My dad went MGTOW but he didn't have a word for it back then. He lost everything, the money, house, his job and never really got to see his kids. I remember seeing him living in the worst of conditions eating bread to survive when I was 6-8 ish. He now has a house paid off, a maid who comes in once a week to clean everything, and a little dog that is his world. He waited till I got the bitter stick of a first love relationship and then red pilled the crap out of me. The Mgtow lifestyle has made us bond big time.

What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't have to be a perfect senario but you being there for them and education/helping when needed is the best thing ever. They'll go about life with a realistic perspective and enjoy a free life. I wouldn't change our bond for the world.

Smoothtank · 2017-03-13T12:00:47+00:00

MGTOW is a poor solution to a major problem that has no direct fix. That's the sad truth of the matter.

I, for example, am an MGTOW who thinks the way back is towards tradition, strong nuclear families with strong familial values. But at the same time, my rational brain recognizes that no matter how well off or poor or honorable or trashy or desirable my traits may be to any particular woman who wants my affections this week, it's almost certain to fail at some point.

But I also recognize these phenomena at large socially, which is to say in business, culture, casual and domestic spheres of life.

All of this adds up to the conclusion that I'm going my own way. I recognize it's selfish, but my brain and heart is telling me this is what I need to do to survive, because my mentality doesn't cope well with betrayal or dishonor in any context.

A lot of people will sit here and flat out tell you they don't care (and even admit they want it all to come to complete ruination/end times), and often times their concepts of MGTOW will be nearsighted onto gender disparities. These people don't recognize how they are as ignorant and solipsistic (AMALT) as they accuse these women of being.

MGTOW, to be a well realized philosophy or goal, has to recognize the vast nuance in its position, and it needs to complete itself with self awareness (which is normally lacking in most).

That's what differentiates me from the typical denizen of this subreddit. I'm aware of the harm I'm doing and take no pleasure in it.

We are a terrible generation of people as a whole. All very solipsistic, selfish, and machiavellian. The hopeful in me wants to shake everyone by the shoulders and tell them what they're fucking up, but I know I can't do it. People respond to charisma and not truth and the truth is I'm not very charismatic because I'm obsessed with truth (or seeking it).

That part of me recognizes that we should be working hard to leave the world (or at least cultural climate) improved from what was present when we came.

I guess I've decided I can be most effective by not participating in the rat race (and thereby justifying it) at large.

I think you need to look at society as a collective thing manifesting itself as one thing. Like a body, with organs and nervous system and skeletal structure and realize that it is prone to disease, sickness, and cancer. Right now those diseases are feminism, social justice warriors/liberals, spineless men and government all working together to be a supervirus while we frantically try to diagnose and synthesize a cure.

Right now we're idiots in a wild fire blindly stomping with our boots. That's MGTOW in general.

TFCNU · 2017-03-13T14:14:54+00:00

I have to disagree with you on the nurture/nature point. I think people mistake adaptation to new technology as socialization. The consistent pattern across countries and time is that when homemaking ceases to be a full time job, women start pushing into traditional male spheres. The traditional division of labour can not survive the washing machine and dishwasher. Once that happens, female hypergamy (which was always in force) floats up to match her income/education. So, the woman who would have happily married and stayed with a carpenter 100 years ago, now has a university degree and views that carpenter as unworthy of marriage.

Online dating compounds this problem by giving everyone the illusion of infinite choice. None of this can be stopped by traditional values. I agree that many people of both genders are unhappy with the outcome but barring a technological regression, I don't see any change forthcoming.

As for your sons, give them all of the facts and let them choose how they want to live their lives. Most men, even when confronted with the data, will not choose the MGTOW path. Most will find the rewards offered by fatherhood or companionship outweigh the risks. I don't think the reward outweighs the risk and that's why I go my own way. I don't want everyone to go MGTOW. I want as many men as possible to be able to make that choice.

Katanaga · 2017-03-13T11:09:57+00:00

To an extent I do agree that they have been 'socially engineered' to be this way however I believe that this has become an example of the female id run rampant. The sad thing is that older generations of women do nothing to interrupt what has become a negative cycle and instead perpetuate these disastrous social memes like 'you can have it all' and 'its always his fault'. This in turn has lead to a negative cycle where each generation is more delusional and radical than the previous.

There is however a non-MGTOW solution to the rampant female id but it requires great social and political change which many in the MGTOW community including myself do not believe is possible because it would give men power at the expense of women which cannot happen in anything other than the most extreme circumstances like a war or collapse.

BeardedMgtoWv1 · 2017-03-13T11:43:47+00:00

j_arbuckle2012 · 2017-03-13T11:45:04+00:00

MGTOW is a freedom movement. In my view, we check out because we realize that the game is rigged and has been for as long as humans have been so. It isnt that women are inherently evil or bad. They follow a biological paradigm that ensures the success of their genes. The consequences we deem the 'Red Pill' are really just the logical conclusion of the current unrestrained femcunt gynocracy. It isnt so much an angry reaction, but a reasoned step back from the brink of madness.

I love women. I love their bodies, their voices, their hair, their pussies, their curves, their orgasms. But. But but but. Im not going to sacrifice my sanity or personal freedom for them. That way lies madness.

espresso85 · 2017-03-13T12:23:00+00:00

my honest reply is that, i am not bothered about the near and distant future. All i know is, if i am subscribing to the traditional roles, it is harmful to my mental health.

Mac290 · 2017-03-13T13:15:51+00:00

I'd just be sure to teach your sons some immutable truths so they can make decisions outside of the fantasy world that we all grow up in.

Men love women. Women love children.

It only takes a whim to ruin a man's life (or at least set him back significantly).

fmanly · 2017-03-14T18:27:28+00:00

I do think that the problems we're seeing today are largely due to female nature, with maybe a bit of influence from nurture.

I look at older generations, and jokes like "happy wife happy life" seem to be older than dirt.

What has changed is the legal/cultural situation. Divorce has become a lot more attractive to women than it used to be. Thus, it has become a lot more prevalent. Sure, I don't want women to be abused, but we've changed to a system where women can literally exploit men for their money.

Unless it is backed by the weight of law I don't think we can really fix things. Even people who voluntarily adhere to traditional values out of religious observance/etc will still have problems because the fact is that the escape route is always there.

gvs77 · 2017-03-13T11:07:03+00:00

Many of us here are so jaded from dating & marriage battle scars that we actively want to see society crumble; think of it as a form of retribution or vengeance. So the overall sentiment that I gather is one of apathy in the general sense: it's not our problem.

But again, seeing justice rendered against the whores and degenerates would be very fulfilling or satisfying. Yes, we understand that many of them were socially engineered or tricked or misguided. But consequences and judgement must be carried out to set forth an example. We pay excess taxes to subsidize this moral depravity, and in many ways we are long-suffering victims waiting for a correction in societal values / behavior.

So, let it all burn. And let anyone who is prudent enough: come out from among the degenerates, lest you also die with them.

Title	A question to the MGTOW community on future generations and solutions
Author	gvs77
Upvotes	4
Comments	28
Date	March 13, 2017 10:21 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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