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[–]Spungo1 41 points42 points43 points 7 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Um, yes? Even in 10k BC, I'm sure there were guys who used niceness as their mating strategy to get women, but those women were not interested in them. "Oh, Grug, you're so nice to me. I wish Kronk respected me as much as you do."
I'm not even saying there's anything wrong with this. I think Moly is trying to gain popularity with men who bitch about friend zone instead of just moving on and dropping women who don't like them back.
[–]Kazimierz77728 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Kronk does sound alpha AF though
[–]newMGTOW13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
He does pull the lever
[–]Careful_Description2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like this new MGTOW. Makes funny references 😁
[–]StreetShame2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
wrong lever!
[–]Quenten011 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pull the lever kronk WRONG LEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[–]sedstar1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Personally, I like Stefan Molyneaux. He was one of the guys i discovered right after sandman. I like his method of "pure philosophy", as its a very powerful tool for formal logic.
Most people think "philosophy" is just a school of thought, or, your own way or beliefs about things? Only for regular people. Trained in philosophy? Its actually a powerful tool.
Likewise "logic", to again most normal people? Is only "common sense". FORMAL logic is actually a scientific discipline that can be infallible, when you set it up correctly. Its one of the foundations for mathematics and computer science.
[–]DangZagnut36 points37 points38 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Yes, they just got money from the boys. Just like now.
[–]Sir_manalot11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I was about to say "yes, marriage was the old school friend zone."
A nice guy who takes care of women without getting any sex in exchange is the tradcon husband.
If anybody thinks otherwise, go talk to old men and realize that there was no golden nawalt pussy age.
But DangZagnut is right. It goes deeper then that.
[–]p0rnpop2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
One thing to consider was the different in marital rape laws back then.
[–]Sir_manalot-2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why the fuck would you want to rape or beat your wife to get what you want?
Especially when she is going to get less attractive with time and still starfish.
Just get a prostitute and forget all the incel bullshit.
[–]p0rnpop4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I mentioned nothing about want. Don't get your panties in a knot when someone points out some historical differences that indicate just how different society was back then. Applying modern day thinking to a society where a a woman getting beaten by her husband was assumed to have deserved it is a fools errand.
[–]DangZagnut5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There weren’t “marital rape laws”, it wasn’t considered rape. There wasn’t some law spelling out “how to rape your wife” it wasn’t spelled out that a ring was a lifetime consent.
It changed to recognize that rape can occur in marriage because there’s always that one asshole causing problems for everyone else. Kind of like claiming you can’t rape a prostitute.
[–]Orig_analUse_rname0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Simply untrue. Women were required to fuck their husbands. It's all they knew as well as cook and clean. Remember no viable birth control. If she got caught cheating or with an std... A women was better off giving hubby his due. Tradcon worked because every man chipped in to get his due. And the women got to be comfortable, with the chance to have a place in society.
[–]Sir_manalot-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah no.
Sex wasn't for pleasure back then. It was only for creating babies (if is why missionary is called missionary, because that was the only sex position used back in the day).
Even in ancient times when women were required to sleep with there husbands, men atill complained about starfish sex and how much better it was to remian single (see buddah, apostle Paul and Peter, etc).
That fantasy needs to die.
[–]pnwhomebrewer21 points22 points23 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is probably the best tweet I have scene in years.
[–]startupPT7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
s/scene/seen
[–]substitute-bot9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is probably the best tweet I have seen in years.
This was posted by a bot. Source
[–]StreetShame0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is probably the best post I have scone in years.
[–]eduardkoopman7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Being Friendzoned = being her backup plan number #8.
Friendzoned guys are usually good providers. And before welfare, being a good provider as a man had alot of value/use for a woman.
Now being a good provider isn't so important anymore; thus they get friendzoned and used as a possible backup plan if welfare or whatever fails. And most women go of after the good genes/looks men in their top fertile/looks years, instead of pair bonding with the good providers. At least to a large extend.
In old times guys were also friendzoned, but as a backup plan for their current male-provider.
Woman are masters at keeping around backup plans.
[–]Sir_manalot4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Not good genes in the modern era.
We need to stop thinking that because it isn't true and hasn't been true for over 2000 years atleast.
Chad's kids are mostly growing up to be dependent on the state or illegal activitiu to live because they are absolutely worthless.
Chads are currently hot and have the "best" genes because women think the current abundance we have will last indefinitely and thus sexy traits are all that matter to them.
The moment we lose this abundance (not even a collapse), Chad's children are going to be the first to end up dying off and the rest will be filling the slums of society.
As being tall, a good talker and being physically strong means jack squat when you cannot get the resources you need to survive. And most Chad's cannot do that even if they wanted to (which is why most end up in gangs, welfare and McDonalds instead of in high earning positions.
Our society is being held up by beta men who actually have the best genes in our moden society.
Think NASA scientists, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, etc. All betas.
[–]StatisticaPizza3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Do we live in a different world? Most of the people you see working those shitty jobs are physically disgusting.
Good looking men with high charisma tend to move up much easier than the average Joe, and attractive people make much more on average than those who aren't.
[–]Sir_manalot-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Because money allows people to be more attractive. Rich people often spend tons of money on there looks to get rid of there imperfections.
Also, correlation doesn't equal causation.
Also also, Elon musk isn't the type of man whom women drool over. In matter of fact, Elon Musk has even talked about the fact that he cannot find any women that likes him (not his money).
And ugly men like Harvey and Einstein often end up successful too (as looks doesn't matter much, it is the confidence that matters...which being attractive makes it easy to get the attention to become confident).
It is the foot ball players, musicians, criminals, gangsters, etc that women love and sleep with....many of whom are poor and ugly even.
Heck, Nikolas Cruz (a former incel) has thousands of fangirls after he shot up a school (making him a sexy alpha). As that is the type of man women love.
The only reason people think attractive people are more successful is either an excuse (I failed because I am ugly, not because of poor decisions) or because they overvalue pussy.
[–]StatisticaPizza2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"The only reason people think attractive people are more successful is either an excuse (I failed because I am ugly, not because of poor decisions) or because they overvalue pussy."
No it's a literal fact, with multiple research studies on the topic. Attractive people earn more, taller people earn more, go ahead and look it up. Obviously there are exceptions, but this idea that all the good looking guys are serving burgers and robbing cars is complete and total bullshit.
Are you seriously trying to cite Cruz as the type of man women love? Your thinking is seriously flawed, take a step back and rethink your ideas.
[–]Sir_manalot0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/nikolas-cruz-fans-send-love-letters-bikini-pictures-money-donations-2018-3
Nope, it's true.
Here is a study about women's love of dark triad men: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886913012245
I could also mention that women are the primary audience of violent porn (Google it, there are SEVERAL studies done on it) and women's love of rape fantasy's too.
And the issue with your study is that it is a correlation, with the third variable being confidence.
Here is a study that shows what I am saying (physical attractiveness = more confidence due to the opposite sex validating them, more confidence = more successful, aka being more physically attractive ends up resulting in a higher chance of success due to increased confidence): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00223980.1948.9917362
Basically if an ugly person is confident (not projecting it), an attractive person will have no advantage over him.
People just use that correlation to avoid responsibility of there actions. Aka "I failed because of my genes, not because I was a lazy fuck."
Of course, if there is a giant gap in looks (like incel level), then it is difficult to get confidence and succeed as the opposite sex will constantly be putting him/her down.
But to say that looks cause success is false by any standard.
Edit: Especially since any man can reach a 5-7 level with enough work.
https://youtu.be/roM2mViyasQ
Doesn't matter if your face is ugly, do not have legs, disabled or whatever.
These is ZERO excuse.
[–]deathtocontrollers-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
those shitty jobs are physically disgusting.
That might just be the area you are living in.
[–]Jaylen-Gads0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn’t call them masters so to speak I think it’s society’s fault for teaching this lie that if a women keeps you around she likes you. I don’t think the friend zone is real because women do not value a friendship like a man values a friendship.
[–]Kenith-Keniff8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Red hot in Australia. 22 years ago I was given a AVO. I had committed no crime. The police served it on me had to go to court and waste coin. I was allowed to pick up my son but that cost me $200 per week. The mother arranged private collection. So full welfare plus a $200 per week top up. Over 18 years she was able to buy a house and have regular holidays. She knew how to milk it to the last drop.
[–]fuckingjakedebrusk 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
whats an AVO?
[–]Kenith-Keniff1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Apprehended Violence Order. ( restraining order)
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[–]Zombocom19119 points10 points11 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
he's saying that women didn't have the luxury of friend-zoning men in human history until the rise of the welfare state , which made them unafraid of not having a man in the house, earning, when raising a family or worrying about supporting themselves
[–]pistolplinko3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This guy was trashing mgtow a year ago. Now that it is a money maker he is on boared to get clicks and more likes. Dont be foold.
[–]talksic666-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Or it’s almost like people can change their mind about things?
[–]pistolplinko0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I understand where you are coming from. But understand how the entertainment world and marketing works. They try to manipulate you just like a women would. People can change there mind. How ever when they say they changed there minds. But show no sign of that change its just lip service.
[–]Findyourpath893 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great tweet
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, it has always existed.
More specifically, imagine a group of 30 early humans on the African Savannah 150,000 years ago.
Then imagine one young eligible female, who wanted to get the sperm of the best genes/best provider.
If she went around publicly rejecting (and criticizing) every single man in the group (except the "best man"), then this might work (if she is attractive enough to get the best man). But, in doing so, the entire group of men will hate her. This would be bad for group dynamics, bad for child rearing, bad for resource sharing, and REALLY BAD if her man dies.
Thus, the women who subtly "maintained orbiter men" and "kept men interested" and kept "platonic friends" probably left more offspring, than the women who blew off the whole tribe.
Or, as Chris Rock says:
"You know what a platonic friend is to a woman? It's a dick in a glass case."
https://youtu.be/zywIR_ZFLts?t=82
So, ya, like so many things in courtship, the Friend Zone is an artifact of a time long past.
Fortunately, there is a cure for the Friend Zone. And (in my experience) this is literally the ONLY thing that works:
https://i.imgur.com/6ktCnLW.jpg
[–]buff_minorcan0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
imagine a group of 30 early humans on the African Savannah 150,000 years ago. Then imagine one young eligible female,
imagine a group of 30 early humans on the African Savannah 150,000 years ago.
Then imagine one young eligible female,
Umm....I'm picturing her getting raped by 30 dudes
[–]deathtocontrollers2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No because in the past, men weren't dumb enough to let their women be friends with other men. And when it came to the single women, their fathers wouldn't let men be friends with their daughter because then she would become a slut and he can't marry her off to a man. Then he is stuck with her for life.
[–]SalvageProbe3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it's more of a coincidence. In fact, before the welfare state women needed to extract resources from men even more. If they did behave better back then, it was probably because they weren't protected by one-sided "anti-violence against women" and "anti-harrassment" laws and were threatened by fault divorce, not because there wasn't welfare.
Both factors are symptoms of the big government women so love and vote for, though.
[–]MGTOWPOLITICS1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
As much as I hate this man for lying about the Fable series (that’s him right?) I can’t agree with this tweet enough
Edit: that was Peter. This is Stefan
[–]ThunderNecklace4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Haha, that's actually funny.
No, Peter Molyneaux is the scumbag who was outed as being a man of nothing but promises. promises about fable and that stupid tech demo with the "interactive" boy (it was purely scripted).
Stefan Molyneaux is one of those men who for the most part says reasonable things, and from what I know has made it his main or side career to say those reasonable things.
I don't know if I agree with everything he says, largely because I rarely listen to him so I don't know everything he says, but when he does put out something good it's usually well researched and logically sound.
[–]MGTOWPOLITICS0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay lol
HAHAHAHA bro! That is a hilarious mix up.
[–]SomethinLikDis0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He's also a voluntaryist
[–]Durchgang0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He has a good point. A man like me could have easily scored a femenoid before the existence of a welfare state. Due the welfare state they can sit on their ass, cash the welfare checks of them and their children and keep riding chad cocks.
[–]civilizedfrog0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dumb tweet. Women have always been the same.
[–]U-940 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read more fatalistic 19th century Russian literature. Always bent outta shape by some woman.
[–]Tsukikoselenia0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It didn't and it did at once, it's just that they admitted that guys in the friend zone were orbiters (and therefore were more open into asking for things).
The FZ nowadays (well, male friends as a whole when it comes to women) still means "orbiters" but it's a new nay to describe it in order to look less like an opportunistic thot.
[–]satansbarbedcock-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
God. That man is fucking smart.
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