So this feminist movie "atomic blonde" just came out and it has a 77% on rotten tomatoes. Can't speak for the movie cause I haven't seen it. I just have to ask... does anyone else feel like the action in the trailer looked incredibly fake? Every move she does and punch she throws just looks like it wouldn't hurt, but is augmented by loud punching sound effects and overacting of the male actors that she beats up. The when she's shooting it just looks like there's no recoil... I mean even the most unrealistic action movies show at least a tiny bit of backlash when shooting a fucking firearm. In this it's like a pop rocket. Kind of a silly thing to post about, but I wanted to see if anyone else noticed this.
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Honestly, I don't see how this is any different than James Bond, Jason Borne, Ethan Hunt, Jack Reacher, John Wick, etc.. The overpowered, elite bad-ass protagonist of cinema is staple of entertainment. Having a skinny hottie mow down bad guys doesn't break immersion any more than the dudes in the genre.
Well choreographed fights are pretty awesome no matter who plays the lead if the role is reasonable in context.
The Mary Sue thing is indeed overdone. Rey, Bella Swan, and Katniss were clearly Mary Sue, while, say, Trinity and Sharon Stone's character in Total Recall were not. If the Charlie's Angles reboot was Mary Sue-ish, it was intentional, self-aware, and tongue-in-cheek. The chicks in Agents of Shield come off as total Mary Sue, even in the context of the equivalent dudes and other "normal" humans in the show.
I don't know how to quantify Mary Sue-ism, but like obscenity you kinda know it when you see it. But if the only thing tripping your bullshit meter in modern movie-going is the women's endurance in fights, then you're not trying hard enough.
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An elite trained man can definitely beat multiple opponents if they are significantly below his skill level. Beating 10 guys is bullshit, but beating 3-4 guys is always within the realm of possibility. On the other hand, the best female fighter in the world will struggle against an average combat trained soldier. Male action heroes are exaggerated, female action heroines are completely fake. Grouping them together is disingenuous.
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Arguing about fictitious characters is disingenuous to begin with. Grab some popcorn and enjoy the fucking movie.
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You could replace her with a 13 year old boy and it would probably look less silly.
Apart from some UFC monstrosities, most female "fighters" are incredibly weak and would have trouble beating a completely untrained man. Stop pretending women can fight, they can't.
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I never got why women got accepted in the same classes in the first place. I mean if a girl really wants to learn martial arts, whatever, just don't force me to accept her as an equal just to make her feel good. Talking out of my ass, but I suspect a lot of instructors where thirsty betas back in the 80s/ 90s. When there's gender segregation in 95+% of sports, desegregating martial arts doesn't make any fucking sense.
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That's no excuse to desegregate though. At some point you have to turn some clients down for the benefit of the class. Not every martial arts gym needs to have womens classes. You don't allow girls to the boys basketball/ football team, it will ruin the dynamics. Accommodating women has negatively affected martial arts and inflated their egos.
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Actor here.
Regarding action sequences in films (and on stage), the fact is that most women/actresses SUCK at fake fighting. They just can NOT make a fight look convincing to save their lives. Every once in awhile you get an outlier like Angelina Jolie (see below) or Uma Thurman (Kill Bill), but they are the EXCEPTION.
Anecdote time:
In a stage combat class in grad school, my partner and I performed a scene from Mr. & Mrs. Smith, the early 2000s action film that became noteworthy because of the on-set romance between Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie (and we see how that worked out...). My scene partner was a good actress, but--like every single other girl in the class--was NOT good at combat. Thus, myself--a tall, athletic man--had to scale WAY back in order to accommodate a vastly inferior scene partner in fictional hand-to-hand combat. The scene fell flat as a result.
Contrast this with the sword-fighting scene I did, in the same class, from "Hamlet" a couple months later.
For those unfamiliar with the play, the final scene is a formal duel between Hamlet, our hero, and Laertes, a noble, the son of Polonius and brother to Ophelia, both of whom died directly and indirectly (respectively), thanks to Hamlet. The two men fence, using rapiers.
Thanks to my MALE scene partner, he and I were able to really let loose during our presentation, drawing gasps and cheers from the audience as we were really able to go at each other in our full athletic glory. We both had a blast doing it.
Next time you're "privileged" to watch some fem-centric action flick, look at how the film is shot and edited. Notice how weak the punches and kicks seem, notice how muddy and unsure most of the action is, notice when there is an obvious (and vastly more competent) stunt double.
Then contrast that with male actors such as Matt Damon ("Bourne" trilogy), Keanu Reeves ("Matrix"), or Denzel Washington ("Hurricane") who are able to convincingly transform into screen-worthy fighters.
There is simply no comparison, and that's why I often avoid fem-centered action films or shows (or, like Marvel's "Jessica Jones", in which lead actor Kristen Ritter is obviously not a good combatant, I just grit my teeth).
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OMG, are you nuts? That stairwell fight is either a great long take or it's edited so damned well it might as well be.
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No, I haven't. But I've seen my share of clips of real street fights on YouTube and on MMA. Many fights are simply over in seconds, if not minutes. People simply can't take the kind of abuse of the kind found in most Hollywood blockbusters.
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Inflicting discomfort and seriously damaging someone are two very different things.
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As are the main protagonists/antagonists unrealistically strong.
Let's dole out criticism where it's warranted. Criticism of the realism in this type of spy/espionage film is not warranted.
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