Help me understand some basic points about MGTOW ideology.

DavidLoPan13 · 2020-05-10T22:59:45+00:00

You can even date if u want, as we are all still attracted to women. Just never get married and never live with a woman.

DigitalScetis · 2020-05-10T23:17:09+00:00

As a great MGTOW once said, with regard to sex, "the juice isn't worth the squeeze." That said, even though sex is not worth much, it's worth enough to many MGTOW to put a bit of effort and attention into acquiring it. Yet even here, most MGTOW would advise caution with regard to the risks. MGTOW generally believe in taking responsibility for one's fate.

That goes the same for women, believe it or not. MGTOW believe that women need to take responsibility for their own fate, as far as men and sexuality goes. They need to stay out of men's apartments, refuse their gifts and advances, refuse to be alone with them or associate with them unless they are fond enough to take relations to a sexual level. We would like to treat women as adults who have enough awareness to not place themselves in dangerous situations, and not as children or wards of the state that need to be insulated from their own bad decisions. But as this is a hard thing, apparently, to ask of most women these days, MGTOW tend to assume the worst from women, and some distance ourselves from them completely.

I hope this helps.

plainnsimpleforever · 2020-05-11T00:29:19+00:00

Like everything, it depends. I'm 60 and if I date I don't have to worry about birth control, pregnancies, child support, etc. I would have a completely different philosophy if I was 20 because of this clown world.

datdbui6 · 2020-05-10T23:09:00+00:00

Do no wrong, do what you want.

FeedMeMore22778534 · 2020-05-10T23:00:15+00:00

When you know, you know

DannyTTT55 · 2020-05-10T23:04:57+00:00

MGTOW is about having standards about the kind of women you interact with based on a logical observation of the society and laws you reside in

The extent you interact with women will depend on the woman and the society you are in because every society is going to be different, every country is going to be different and have different laws

Vaxel00 · 2020-05-10T23:47:30+00:00

Stay away from women, this is for your own good. Want to have sex? Do so, but be careful.

Rape is rape and it's illegal, also not my problem. What does being tricked into sex entail? That has such a broad definition.

Teflon187 · 2020-05-11T00:35:48+00:00

I believe all young men should have sex at least a few times. you gotta know what it is about, its one of those life experiences. on that note, never trust a woman saying she is on birth control, because even if she is, she will likely NOT tell you when she stops taking it or misses several days and that is a huge liability. also always bring your own condoms, especially if you are successful and ambitious. most lazy people would love to latch on to a hard working generous man. don't cohabitate unless you want to be delegated to a single room in your own house where you can do what you please (mancave). that is assuming you have an extra room, otherwise lets pray you have a garage or a big yard. women are a fun time when young, but treat them as that. A fun experience that is best enjoyed on the weekends only.

edit: I don't really know what you are asking about rape and tricking women into sex. I would highly advise you not to rape anyone or drug/ have sex with a severely intoxicated person unless you have a fixation for getting raped in prison. people in prison don't like those type of people. and many things could land you in jail or have your reputation ruined in social media. just be a good person, but don't let people take advantage of you. if you meant dating someone who has been raped or abused, that is on you. know that they will have trust issues.

BlackSandstone · 2020-05-11T01:04:24+00:00

I have found "Women, collectively and singly, are beneath my concern" as a statement of doctrine pretty much covers most situations wrt MGTOW.

Retraining to recognise the actual merits and indeed wonders in life when women aren't part of the equation leads to some pretty profound and delightful experiences.

That said, it's quite hard - especially if someone hasn't been raised in a way to realise his sexual market value/mileage is just a characteristic, not his judge of virtue.

On the way to that realisation, by all means enjoy the pleasant experiences of women if you want, but be on guard, and recognise that you're largely wasting your time. Some of the darker responses of mgtows is when this backfires, and it's perfectly legitimate to avoid women on principle as a consequence or pre-emptively.

As for your last question; crime is a crime, manipulation is manipulation, coercion is coercion. However: innocent until proven guilty is problematic when an "innocent" woman accuses an "innocent" man; the burden of proof tends to fall on the man.

carbonblob · 2020-05-11T00:55:43+00:00

I think MGTOW means you doing what makes sense for you, but always being aware of what's going on.

Women will use every technique, method, and beauty product known to cause you to lose all sense of time and reality.

Imagine working as a farmer. Then, something you've never noticed before catches your eye. You start chasing these butterflies deep into the meadow. You catch some! Some get away, and you've also set some free. Fun was had by all. Well, you'd stopped farming to go do that. For a lot of 20-30 year old farmers, chasing butterflies is the most important thing in the world.

I hope that you know how to take of your own business without a female being involved. ;-) You kids have it easy... 30 years ago we only had some magazines and our imaginations. LOL

We don't want to hurt them, we just recognize that they seek whatever benefits them for either the short or long term. Which is actually quite rational.

user_miki · 2020-05-11T06:54:12+00:00

"Also how would MGTOW see things like women who are date raped or tricked into sex."

It looks like a tradcon view about women.How is that.What means women tricked into sex?Do you think women are stupid?Do you think women should be absolved by the responsibilities of their choices or decisions?They don't have their agency,somebody forced them to open the legs.

DangZagnut · 2020-05-10T23:02:01+00:00

The basic idea is you aren't wasting your life chasing pussy, and focusing on you.

Sounds easy doesn't it? Unfortunately many men are under a lot of cultural, familial, social, and individual pressures to chase pussy and focus to damn much simping for it.

So if sex is important, and that's an individual decision, you might find hookers more your speed, casual relationships, porn, etc. to your liking.

The idea isn't to join some religious cult with rules, but to have your life free of wasting it in a relationship structure where you're spending all your time and energy and money going out and socializing and dating and pissing away all your money for...a basic waste of time.

Some ideas include avoiding marriage, cohabitation, and LTRs, because those become your sole focus and you end up stagnating, giving up your dreams for a unicorn with a pussy, and then when that ends up failing, or just being a general dream killer.

Everyone thinks it won't happen to them, but then most people assume they won't get divorced or cheated on or financially wrecked either.

So its a path of happiness, enjoyment, and being a horrible selfish human being that cares about what's best for them.

BlackPillPusher · 2020-05-11T14:37:11+00:00

I am a monk, so obviously I don't hold sex in that high of a regard, I see it as a waste of time and a massive risk that should be avoided, other men can do whatever they want and as long as they're aware of the cost and risks, as long as they're taking some measure to at least partially negate it they still can be considered MGTOW as far as I care.

As for women who are date raped or "tricked into sex" whatever thayram, well, I don't care, it's usually a completely unsubstantiated claim that takes no effort to just pull out at any point, even years after the fact, as long as they're not my mother, sister or friend they're not my problem, I would never do anything like that to anyone personally because to be frank I don't care about sex enough(or at all) to risk my freedom, even despite me being a monk I have a lot of women in my friendzone trying to flirt with me and sending me nudes at all times so even if I were that addicted to sex I wouldn't have to do that with all those sexually liberated women and fifty shades of dating apps around, getting sex is too easy anyway.

ProcedurallyCreated · 2020-05-11T17:47:37+00:00

Women cannot be loyal in modern society. Most men are just disposable mules to them. MGTOW avoid being used by not having kids and not marrying. Some of them also avoid cohabitation and or sex for the same reason. That said, TOW means "their own way", so everyone's way is a bit different.

Date rape: If you mean dating a person and forcing him/her to have sex, MGTOW don't have a deviation in opinion from the norm in that matter.

Tricking someone into having sex: That concept has no meaning to MGTOW. It is used when a woman and a man have consensual sex and the woman later decides she had no agency over her actions. It validates our views of the world.

Title	Help me understand some basic points about MGTOW ideology.
Author	i_mann
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Date	May 10, 2020 10:51 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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