and the reason why I single out tradcons is because leftists don't care about the birth rate, they are happy to import all the 3rd world to compensate for the birthrates.

from tradcons, "oh your mgtow? spinless loser, society is failing because men don't want to step up to the plate"

"we must ban PORN. we must ban SEXDOLLS. men arnt having children because they have alternatives."

anybody who unironically blames mgtow for low birthrates doesn't remember history. I remember constantly being taught in school that women's liberation is the key to curbing OVERPOPULATION(back when people were afraid of overpopulation and not the opposite)

Also by lowering the population, it was believed that the environment would do better, so you had "green piece" lovers advocating for less kids.

people have known for ages that WOMEN'S LIBERATION lowers the birth rate. if you type into Google "women's rights overpopulation" you will find endless articles praising feminism for lowering birth rates.

nowadays, nobody blame women's liberation for low birth rates, instead they claim that we need to give women tons of FREE MONEY in order to get them to reproduce, or they will claim that wealthy society's NATURALLY have low birth rates. all bullshit.

here are a number of 3rd world countries that experienced lower birthrates due to women's liberation

https://ourworldindata.org/fertility-rate

Duflo, Kremer, and Dupas (2015)10 conducted such a large randomized evaluation in western Kenya over a period of 7 years in which they found that subsidies to education decreased the rate of pregnancies in adolescent girls. Because we can study the effect of the policy intervention in this evaluation, we can see that the relation in question is not driven by an impact of the number of children on the education of women.

Luke Chicoine (2012)11 studied the impact of another policy change, this time in Kenya, that lengthened primary school by one year from 1985 onwards and finds that the additional education of women lowered the number of children they had. The author emphasizes that the increased early use of modern contraceptives of better educated women was instrumental to make this reduction of fertility possible.

Brievora and Duflo (2004)12 studied the link between education and the number of children women want by investigating the impact of a school construction program in Indonesia between 1973 and 1978. The authors again find that a better education of women is associated with a lower number of children.

And in yet another careful micro-study, Osili and Long (2008)13 investigated the introduction of universal primary education in Nigeria and equally find that an increase of women’s education by one year reduces early fertility by 0.26 births.

The evidence from these micro studies is exceptionally clear and suggests that increasing education for women is indeed leading to a decrease of the fertility rate.