Is there a "wall" for guys?

Futile-Resistance · 2018-12-17T22:50:36+00:00

The wall for men is at the age of 13, they then spend their 20s building a ladder.

801735 · 2018-12-17T22:40:50+00:00

Is that supposed to be just a female phenomenon?

Yup.

amwfhunter · 2018-12-17T22:35:38+00:00

Only if you're poor?

outonadaypass · 2018-12-17T22:50:29+00:00

Men are a utility to woman. We are something to be used, not desired or loved. When we lose our usefulness, money, status, utility, perhaps that is a form of wall.

madmarvcr · 2018-12-17T23:59:37+00:00

A man's wall is 18. After graduating high school most women don't want him. If he goes to college he spends next 4 year on something like STEM building Market Value and "street cred". He will keep building Market Value in his job and investments his whole life if he's successful. At some point women will see his market value and want to marry.

A successful man will keep making money until he dies. A woman can not make her self more beautiful after 25.

NVCowboy · 2018-12-17T22:58:27+00:00

Well, I’m 57 years old, there’s grey in my hair, lines on my face, and although I’m within 20 lbs. of what I weighed at 30, it is apportioned differently.

But none of those things are what made me who I was.

I am in my prime earning years, doing a job that I love and am good at. I am very content with who I am, and where I’m going in life. My interests include reading, horse training/camping. I have a great family that I enjoy spending time with. I do not feel that I have hit a Wall in my life.

I think the Wall is reserved for those (male or female) who’s self-worth is based entirely on their superficial transient features, rather than their internal characteristics. For men, I can imagine an aging athlete could experience this as they realize that they can’t get around on that fastball like they used to. If you haven’t developed any internal worth, then you are at risk for the Wall.

rtmlex · 2018-12-17T22:57:01+00:00

Yes. Death.

OlHaggard · 2018-12-17T23:42:15+00:00

The wall for women comes if they want it or not. The wall for men only comes if men build it themselves(eating shitty, drinking too much, not taking care of yourself, etc) Other than that Women age like milk, and Men like fine wine.

lostapwbm · 2018-12-17T23:55:06+00:00

s that supposed to be just a female phenomenon?

The Wall women hit is the loss of their youth, beauty, fertility, because that's what we're after them for, so once that goes, they're pretty much out of the game.

Either way, if it is inevitable for every woman, aren't we being a bit hard of them for experiencing the unstoppable?

The hardness comes from the fact that most of them are hard-headed; they want to pretend the Wall doesn't exist, or think that they'll be able to still play 21-year-old bitches' games at 35.

DangZagnut · 2018-12-17T22:44:18+00:00

I am just injected a little male rationality and sense of justice

So you're a social justice walrus?

Do men have a wall, sure, but a woman's wall is that her looks fade, to show a lack of fecundity.

Both men and women age, but there is not really any corresponding fecundity change in men, whereas women losing youth directly shows she's going to start having pregnancy problems.

So the tight, supple skin of youth is important for a woman to display her breed ability, whereas a guy can look rugged and in his 60s and still look attractive.

No one really wants some rough and rugged woman.

Adding in the lifestyles of many women today, the wall hits very quickly and fast with women, and they just have their looks to go on in many cases. So reality seriously changes for women in a big hurry.

Men, who cares. No one cares about men, as attractiveness in men is more geared toward status and money, which can be infinite.

also men can defeat the wall, lose weight, get a higher paying job, become famous in some way, those will all improve status or resources, which is primary attractiveness.

Women get boob implants and cosmetic surgery to look hot and young again with high fecundity, but they usually end up looking like freaky lizard people.

skippydammit · 2018-12-18T00:10:44+00:00

The only "wall" for men...make that REAL men... is death...-:)

rockorbe2002 · 2018-12-18T00:19:32+00:00

There is a Wall for men, but it's a broader thing. For instance, Jack Nicholson definitely hit the Wall looks wise, but the guy has talent, personality, and money, which he makes up for.

On the other hand, Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite. He's the alpha douche who wanted to skate by life in his looks and one talent, i.e., football. He didn't make it and now lives out of a van and makes videos of himself reliving his glory days.

[deleted] · 2018-12-18T00:59:11+00:00

Yeah, specially if you have regular looks + poor, these guys usually have to climb it building wealth and being financially successful.

amwfhunter · 2018-12-18T01:00:22+00:00

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Red_Pill_Dynamics · 2018-12-18T01:20:24+00:00

No. There's no wall. Only steps that lead to plateaus, which are just more steps leading to more plateaus.

Imo, life at 40 takes a whole new turn if you play your cards right.

Cosmohig · 2018-12-18T03:12:14+00:00

Men hit walls. Mental walls. They can break through though. A woman's wall wouldn't be so bad either if they were just as nice on the inside as the outside.

Slideri812 · 2018-12-18T04:30:14+00:00

Is that supposed to be just a female phenomenon?

Largely yes. A females value peaks at 20 (sexual attractiveness and reproductive value) aka SMV and then slowly declines from there. Things that hasten her decline include: Riding the cock carousel, drinking, using drugs, feminism (that one fucks up a lot of females), diet, lack of exercise and so on. So by 30 a females SMV has plummeted from when she was 20 and will fall twice as far by 40 and it's usually an exponential fall from there.

Males however start out with a low SMV because they have older males as competition, males who are established in their careers, have money (disposable income) nice cars, power and influence, confidence, experience and so on. All the things young females are attracted to.

So when a male hits 30 his value is on the rise. If he has taken care of himself, ate right, exercised, stayed single and so on he has his pick of younger females at 30. This trend can continue for most of the rest of his life. Men can still attract females with high SMV and sire children into their 70's. Something no female can do.

So the wall is a figurative and somewhat literal description of the time in females life where her SMV falls and is unrecoverable in both looks and fertility. And I'm not eve touching upon earning potentials and so on.

bonethugsgoat · 2018-12-17T22:41:44+00:00

The only wall men have to deal with is the walls of that coffin when we're being laid to rest.

ReaditMaterial · 2018-12-17T23:10:12+00:00

Money.

DaBiff184220 · 2018-12-18T02:26:15+00:00

Marriage

flee_market · 2018-12-18T02:30:40+00:00

Is there a "wall" for guys?

Ask Hugh Hefner

MR3790 · 2018-12-18T17:15:34+00:00

Yes ages 0 - 35

ApertureBear · 2018-12-18T19:38:01+00:00

Do men have a wall?

No, not in the same terms. The existence of The Wall is predicated on the fact that women use sex and attraction as their means of procuring resources. The Wall is the point at which a woman can no longer do this because she is no longer attractive enough to produce results.

if it is inevitable for every woman, aren't we being a bit hard of them for experiencing the unstoppable?

It's not like they don't have the option to procure resources in other ways. They have equal opportunity to education and the workforce. (Some would argue they have a distinct advantage in both of these areas.) They just, in overwhelming majority, choose not to go into STEM or create careers for themselves.

Obviously I'm speaking in generalities so you can find a case that disproves it. I work with successful women who do not have this problem.

PCcultureIsBS · 2018-12-18T22:57:22+00:00

I don't know man. Men can always marry young blind girls. My friend's aunt was like 23 when she married her 46 year old husband. Not in the US. They are not from the US but south america, and they are kind of libtards. Obviously not in the same level as Americans. But if you find conservative girls from other countries, there shouldn't be much problem for a 70 yo man marrying a 20 yo girl. What if she is blind tho.

kbj1987 · 2018-12-20T21:30:55+00:00

Man's wall is when he loses his money or his job or social rank...

AngryAssburgers · 2018-12-17T22:45:48+00:00

When a mans status takes a hit or starts to decline permanently, he's hit the wall. Which is interesting to me because you can gain status until the day you die, whereas for women, once those youthful looks go, you're fucked.

Title	Is there a "wall" for guys?
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Date	December 17, 2018 10:35 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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