It had to be said.

Silverslade1 · 2019-06-24T00:12:19+00:00

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Sir_manalot · 2019-06-24T00:18:36+00:00

Okay fine, I will bite.

How is choosing to not get into relationships with a women the same as not being unable to get into a relationship with a women?

Frank327 · 2019-06-24T00:16:06+00:00

Wants debate but only the troll gets to hurl insults. Guy can not even understand the slang he using to insult us with. Not much of a debate.

MGTOWJayJay · 2019-06-24T03:15:47+00:00

1) MGTOW is more of a philosophy on how to live life instead of a movement. This is a very important one, a political movement is defined as a organized social group operating to achieve a certain goal. MGTOW does not operate in such a manner. At it's very essence it's a bunch of guys who've adopted a new way of living life. They don't seek to change the status quo, but instead opt out of whatever society expects them to do.

2) MGTOWS are not just bitter men who cant get a date. A lot of women think this is what MGTOW is all about. If this is you too, guess what? You're wrong. Some of the first MGTOWs were divorced men. Men stuck paying alimony to a cheating ex wife who divorced him. Men screwed over sideways in family courts for child custody. Then it spread to men in marriages who were downright miserable with the way their wives treated them. Then it spread to men in relationships that were fed up with the dating world and how they were expected to act, despite being taken advantage of by women. Some of these men have been in abusive relationships. Then finally is spread to the young single guys in their 20's. It's not that MGTOWS cant get a date, they just don't want to. They've taken a good logical look at dating, marriage, and they way divorce courts treat them. At that point they decided to say “screw this i'm out”.

3) MGTOWS are not social hermits. Females seem to think that a MGTOW is some guy living his mom's basement who refuses to leave and live life. In a Youtube video called ”Dear Men” by Alexanda Blue she mention that guys were isolating themselves from society. MGTOWS don't isolate themselves they just don’t conform to society. They have friends, they most definitely have hobbies, they have family, they have good jobs, and they have fun. Calling them hermits is seriously missing the mark.

4) MGTOW's are very content with their lifestyle. They have good jobs, a lot of them have their own business. They have time and luxury to pursue dreams and hobbies. Since a lot of MGTOWS don't have to support a family, a lot of their money turns into disposable income. A lot of MGTOWS will tell you themselves that they live very peaceful, orderly lives. Which brings me to my next point

5) Insulting or shaming MGTOW does jack squat. People who dislike MGTOW really can't seem to come to terms with this. All the time you the see them telling MGTOWS to “man up!” or say that they have “peter pan syndrome”. The reason why none of this works against a MGTOW is because you fail to see things the way the see it. To a MGTOW settling down means giving up all of your hobbies, your awesome life style, and pursuing your dreams, for a life of monotony. Even more so, “manning up” would mean entering in to a marriage where he could potentially lose at least half his assets (car, house, kids, etc.) in the event of a divorce. From a logical standpoint, trying to shame a MGTOW into settling down is pointless.

6)They're not all anti-feminist they just couldn't care less about women's rights, issues, etc. Now, don't get me wrong some of MGTOWS are anti-feminist. The rest of them could just care less. If MRA's and feminists were to have a debate, MGTOWS wouldn't even bother to show up much less get out of bed. If you're trying to rally a MGTOW to some female social cause, don't bother.

7) Alot of MGTOW's avoid women all together. Don't like being catcalled in the street? No problem, they wont catcall you. Hate being stared at the gym? Fine by them, they wont look. Don't liked being asked for your number in random places? Alrighty. You don't have to worry about a MGTOW doing any of these things. In fact a MGTOW won't even bother to look in your direction. A MGTOW will keep conversation with you to a minimum. What people forget that this is a double edge sword. Having a guy buy you drinks at a bar? Nope! Taking you out to a nice expensive dinner and picking up the tab? Nope! Taking you for a ride on his motorcycle or in his sports car? Guess again. Casual flirting? I think not. The majority of men, are single yet off-the-market. Especially in a society where a guy in one false rape accusation or sexual harassment case away from a jail sentience.

8) MGTOW is growing. From 2009-2015 MGTOW went from being a obscure movement to the largest wing of the “man-o-sphere”. Today, there a numerous blogs, forums, and Youtube channels that are devoted to MGTOW philosophy. Do a simple google search for MGTOW and see for yourself.

9) If you want to stop this growth you have to change what causes men to go their own way. If MGTOW's growth is alarming to you then you're going to have to change what causes them to go MGTOW. Which means change the divorce courts, the attack on masculinity, the institution of marriage, social expectations on men, etc. Things such as shaming them, calling them “man-boys”, having white-knights attack them, and other methods will do nothing to stop this growth. The problem people have with this is that to a certain degree they are going to have to assign blame to themselves (* cough* straw feminists). They're are many honest reasons a man will go his own way, just ask one.

10) MGTOWS are not afraid of being alone. When I talked about MGTOW to a female friend, she asked “Aren't they afraid of being lonely ?” The answer to this question was no. To a MGTOW, being alone does not mean being lonely. He may not have a girlfriend or a wife but he still have friends, family, and his hobbies to keep him occupied. A MGTOW has no need for female companionship.

Awaiting your reply, troll.

swankvagabond · 2019-06-24T01:06:15+00:00

Lol that made me chuckle.

By the way, half men in this sub are divorced and the others just got burned by ex girlfriends.

NovaStorm347 · 2019-06-24T00:09:23+00:00

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT

[deleted] · 2019-06-24T00:19:29+00:00

Seeing as I’m willfully and intentionally celibate, has absolutely NOTHING to do with the reason why I’m on this page, I’m going my own way, and I’d wager that 99% of the people agree with me. So, debate that kind human.

realtrublaze · 2019-06-24T02:21:39+00:00

Is OP a woman?

OLD-TRUCK · 2019-06-24T00:51:19+00:00

cryptotim70726 · 2019-06-24T01:56:53+00:00

Are you trying to be funny? Or are you just an idiot?

young_MGTOW23 · 2019-06-24T03:04:35+00:00

We must be doing something right when cucks and feminists come here to try and shame us back. I'm sorry you miss us but we dgaf.

IDDQD4Life · 2019-06-24T03:27:17+00:00

Another simp so stuck in pussy-worship mode that he can't understand men deciding that the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

YAWWWWWWWWWWWWN...

User_7040 · 2019-06-24T01:34:52+00:00

What a dumpass

kennycojo · 2019-06-24T02:49:29+00:00

Its not Friday.

Launch_Day_My_Dudes · 2019-06-24T00:43:07+00:00

/r/incels was a hive of pussy-worshipping simps who thought that the act of getting their dongs wet would give them existential fulfillment. They were so into this idea that they regularly advocated pedophilia, incest, and sexual slavery to achieve this goal.

/r/mgtow generally advocates complete disengagement from women and tells men that they don't need female approval to be complete (we are strong independent men who don't need no woman).

I can't tell the difference!!1

totallyreal26217111 · 2019-06-24T01:36:34+00:00

Well I bang chicks, I just don't date or buy things for them. Incels get that backwards.

_ImS_ · 2019-06-24T04:25:06+00:00

Go get your pussy then dude. If it means so much to you, you dont have time to waste here. You habe pussy begging skills to master.

Russian_Ultron · 2019-06-24T00:09:53+00:00

Or maybe you're just easily offended. People are generally going to come here when they have been hurt so shitty things will be said. Most men feel like that at one point in time and most move on. Incel is typically a word used by men with low tosterone levels who still giggle when they see vaginas.

TheFinalWatcher · 2019-06-24T00:28:51+00:00

MGTOW is totally different from the incel thing. Only lazy feminists say they are the same.

justletmemakeanacc · 2019-06-24T06:21:57+00:00

Where exactly is your reasoning? I've read several of your comments on this post and they all say "read my other comments" or "i have addressed this elsewhere in this post".

Maybe it's too late in the night for me but I honestly can't see any other comments you've made which states the reasoning behind mgtow being the new incels. Maybe you could give me a direct link to the specific comment you're talking about?

In the meantime, let me explain that MGTOW is a way of life and its different for every guy. You CAN be an incel whilst also being MGTOW but that doesn't mean every guy going their own way is an incel. The ELI5 here is a colour can be red but not all colours are red. I hope I explained this in a way you understand.

PokkaTeh · 2019-06-24T06:23:11+00:00

Reading through the comments, just lol. Re_all is a savage, if he didn't "change your mind" then nothing will, except your own experience and then you'll be back for a different reason.

Dorgdorg · 2019-06-24T02:22:00+00:00

How so?

Silverslade1 · 2019-06-24T00:34:19+00:00

(For some reason I can only seem to comment once every 10 minutes or so, so I’m just going to leave this one seperate instead of replying to an individual.)

After having read through a few posts today (have only just discovered this sub) I couldn’t believe the amount of outright woman hating comments and opinions that absolutely reek of the old incel stuff. Sure, many of you might not be “involuntarily celibate” as such, but the ideals of the two communities seem almost identical.

In less than a few short hours, I’ve seen;

A six and a half paragraph demonising women for how weaponise sex and how they are built to manipulate men for their own selfish gains (this was referring to ALL women, mind you, not just anecdotal evidence).

Comments referring to women as “evil alien beasts” for no reason other than the fact that they happen to be women.

Many, many references to “renting vaginas”.

And that’s just to name a few.

So, in a sub that is so absolutely rife with women hating that echoes the literal incel mantra my question is; what is the difference? It honestly sounds like incels re-skinned themselves with a new title because they realised the terrible notions that were attached to their... Culture.

edit: I am not trying to say each and everyone of you are involuntarily celibate in the literal sense of the word, I’m pointing out that the ideals and attitudes between this community and theirs is almost identical.

Silverslade1 · 2019-06-24T01:44:36+00:00

Is anyone going to provide any kind of actual rebuttal?

Title	It had to be said.
Author	Silverslade1
Upvotes	0
Comments	74
Date	June 24, 2019 12:04 AM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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