Let's say there is a law reform..

Mac290 · 2017-04-17T13:56:45+00:00

As much as atheists hate it, it is religion that keeps people in line. The power higher than you or any person on earth that will sit in judgment upon your death. A society that pulls away from God's law has already started to decline. Unfortunately, laws written and enforced by man don't create morals, which is what is in deficit.

mediumwaffle · 2017-04-17T13:32:34+00:00

Women will change when society stops rewarding them for bad behavior.

Lern2army · 2017-04-17T15:51:11+00:00

We all have seen the light and have no reason to go back even if the laws change. We have limitless entertainment, commitment-free sex, and very little danger to our lives. Women thought that marriage was designed by men for men when in actuality, it was designed by men for women. The cat is out of the bag and I don't see it changing until society collapses and a new one is born.

iamanarci · 2017-04-17T13:53:12+00:00

1) Grant men reproductive rights before child birth.

2) No government funding to raise children. Sole responsibility should rest with parents just like pre-feminazi period.

feedmecarrots · 2017-04-17T13:34:12+00:00

What slowed women down in the past was the reality that men were not easily replaceable.

DigitalScetis · 2017-04-17T19:19:04+00:00

What I've noticed over the past decade or so is that those who are most critical of religion are also the most naive about the human capacity for goodness.

They think that, with the right education, the right principles, and the right upbringing, we can live in the kind of perfect, ethical utopia where we can all receive the kind of lives we deserve.

The truth of the matter is, however, that we can't force people to be kind to one another; we can't force people to care. We can force people to stay out of another's life, but we can't force people into our lives. People are kind because they want to be kind; it is a gift that nobody needs to give.

Women, and feminists in particular, have a hard time understanding this. That we leave them alone and go about our lives is what they tell us to do, but when we do it, we become far worse than anything they've seen. Why?

Because merely leaving them alone was never enough. We have to care. But you can't force a man to care. You can force him to serve, but in his heart, he will always resent you. He may do exactly what you want, but nothing more, and nothing out of his way to do. You can force him to act friendly, but he will not think of you as his friend.

People who are charitable towards us don't have to be charitable. They could well enough not care, and be perfectly in the right. One might say that those who are charitable, if they are charitable, are more fools than wise for caring as they do. That's certainly what we have determined. And we are also right.

Because true charity is not rational for its own sake, but only really justifiable in a society that is able to recognize it for what it is, which is the sign of a good person who deserves goodness. That women take, and assert a prerogative to neglect the giver, means that this burden has to fall on someone else. That a man might give his last dollar to a woman dying of starvation, and lies to her by saying "think nothing of it," to alleviate her of her guilt, does two acts of charity. But where, in a society that knows no concept of charity (perhaps only the secularistic and flimsy substitute of "reciprocal altruism") is this good deed going to go recognized, and the doer recognized as the good man deserving of good things?

Not in any society based on rational self interest alone, that's for sure. Only a society that believes in transcendent values can recognize that.

a17c81a3 · 2017-04-17T20:44:06+00:00

You have to remember that the traditionalism of the 50'ies was largely due to the massive number of men dead in WWII. This created a man shortage and men didn't have to take no shit.

When you have the normal amount of men and vast resources why should women ever settle for anything else than a pretty boy? There is no shortage of men nor money. She can fuck as she wants.

This system is not going to reform either that is for sure. Trump's son in law just got 260 million from globalist Soros, Rex Tillerson used to work for Goldman Sachs and just recently it was announced another Sachs guy was added to the team.

If you want traditionalism you have to move to a poorer nation and stay there accepting that life.

burtcoins · 2017-04-17T18:16:51+00:00

pretty simple a woman violates the marriage contract she forfeits any proceeds she may get in the divorce.

tribalbandit · 2017-04-17T17:22:56+00:00

Got to love the comments equating men not wanting to subsidize women or be thrown in jail to being a tradcon. Not sure what the payoff is for this shaming tactic that is here daily. Liberals maybe who get their bills payed by workers? Maybe wimminz pretending to be men.

I see MRA put down here a lot, and not sure why. I favor anyone not seeking ot take my money.

huckleberryferry · 2017-04-17T20:30:31+00:00

Law reform doesn't/ won't change the female nature, they'd still be what they are: bitchy, hypergamous, naggy, selfish, disrespectful, irrational, and ungrateful. So...basically...yeah, nothing will change my mind to accept women in my life.

Scrubpuppy · 2017-04-17T14:19:31+00:00

Opinion: I don't think you can legislate morality. Even if you could, that wouldn't fix it anything. People are still going to cheat. People used to cheat when there was punishment, etc etc.

Coluphid · 2017-04-17T18:31:50+00:00

Traditionalism existed because of laws, and social reinforcement. Everything from religious to social expectations for how people behaved.

You bring those back, society is restored. Simple as that.

Yes, AWALT.

But every single organism out there is defined by inalienable traits.

Lions are violent, powerful and cunning killers. Opportunistic and canny hunters. And yet they can be tamed. They can be put on show. They can be trained to behave in a safe and productive manner.

Once you understand the nature of the thing. You know what its capable of. And can account for it.

Women are no different than any other animal. We are all animals. With discreet traits, strengths, weaknesses and abilities. Inherent behaviours and predictable patterns.

Once these are known and identified - and today they are as well identified and better known than at any point in history - we can create social and behavioural constructs around them that harness their good and productive qualities while mitigating the risks and their negative qualities.

Perhaps traditionalism isnt coming back, but that doesn't mean we can't take our current knowledge of AWALT - backed up by unprecedented scientific studies and knowledge - and craft a society where the traits, strengths and weaknesses of both genders can be managed to be productive and viable.

But it will take two things.

One: Men of MGTOW putting aside their cognitive dissonance, sour grapes, hurt feelings and nihilism, and Getting Off their Asses to do something about it.

and

Two: the recognition and defeat of (((those))) who have infiltrated and subverted our societies in the first place. Deliberately causing the downfall of traditional roles, values and reinforcements for the sole purpose of destroying functioning societies.

We cannot improve the body until we cure the disease. And we cannot cure the disease until we rouse ourselves to action.

the-capitan · 2017-04-17T20:35:04+00:00

the problem is that women are rewarded for shitty behavior, not shamed for it. laws aren't going to change this. you have to play the next stage. so:

never marry. period.
if you're having kids, either get a surrogate and have a surrogacy agreement, or have an anti-nuptual agreement that expressly states you're not getting married.
actively label "women's benefits" as sexist and discriminatory.

gods_bones · 2017-04-17T20:47:46+00:00

The only way to make women useful and productive members of society again at this point would be to round the whole lot of them up around the world and keep them locked in pigpens where they can be hooked up to tubes and wires attached to her tits and pussy, and then just maintain a constant extraction of milk and ovum whenever society needs more babies. You would also stop overpopulation in one swift motion.

rtmlex · 2017-04-17T13:37:35+00:00

Hey brosky, you're looking for the tradcon sub

VogaLodamee · 2017-04-17T14:22:00+00:00

Even if we do change the official laws,

the fucking dumbass shithead female politicians will pass laws like these not because they are good laws

BUT FOR THE SHEER SAKE OF REVENGE.

They've admitted this and we're fucking doomed.

Link: http://fox59.com/2017/02/19/proposed-bill-would-require-kentucky-men-to-get-wives-permission-for-viagra/

GenesisRunner · 2017-04-17T14:22:28+00:00

Make abortion illegal. Period.
Make extra-marital sex illegal. No buts and ifs.
Raise the drinking age (alcohol) for women to 28.
Repeal no-fault divorce for women, maintain for men.
Default child custody mandate goes to the father (this eliminates abuse of #4 above by men).
Absolutely no Government mandated or funded child support or alimony programs (parties work it out themselves during divorce court proceedings if there is a fault that justifies a divorce).
Require a court-review and approval of second marriage if the prior marriage resulted in divorce.
No domestic partnerships - if you wish to live together as partners, you have to get married and abide by all the rules, above.
And last, but not least: In an effort to ensure these rules remain in force, women shall not have the right to vote.

Enforce this for two generations, and women will be brought back in check.

Edit: To add the final point.

Title	Let's say there is a law reform..
Author	fleshnbones
Upvotes	33
Comments	116
Date	April 17, 2017 1:19 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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