Sad but probably true.

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https://www.lngtransfer.com/news/the-16-biggest-ships-produce-more-pollution-than-all-the-cars-in-the-world/

This kinda brings their "solution" into prospective. They want to pass it off as if private citizens' are the cause. Tax our gas, ban straws, etc. How many ships like these ARE there? How many rubber plants, or molybdenum mines would it take to equal cars?

If they wanna do something, they should be honest about the cause. It's not us. It's them. They set the regulations. They give the tax cuts. They own the companies.

It's insane to think about how little your personal car contributes vs. many, many, many other "profitable" emissions sources.

I wouldn't worry, we're on the cusp another tech revolution. Once everybody gets their heads out of their asses and we can go back to focusing on innovation instead of sociology.

I think we'll have a Bill Gates of energy here soon. Oil won't last forever, so even if we use every last drop, the man-made temperature rise will go away. But even then, they can't tell us what man-made temperature changes we've caused because you can't measure 10,000 years of temperature.

https://www.noaa.gov/news/us-had-its-coldest-april-in-more-than-20-years

Alot of the coldest years have been in the past 3 decades, too. They need to be more transparent about HOW they're doing their studies. The government needs to release all of their data, not select data.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_temperature_extremes?wprov=sfla1

I'm not being an ass or anything, just chatting.

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"If the amount of solar units hitting Earth is 100 units, then based on the fact that Venus is closer to the Sun, it receives 193 units. Yet Earth absorbs 70% of these units and Venus absorbs 30% of these units.

Earth absorbs:

100 X 0.70 = 70 units

and Venus absorbs:

193 X 0.30 = 58 units

Thus, based on the distance from the Sun AND the albedo of both planets, Venus should be COLDER than Earth because it actually absorbs a lot less solar radiation.

Here's the rub. The average temperature of Earth is 15°C, while the average surface temperature of Venus is........480°C! What is up with that? Something else must be going on.

The answer is in the respective atmospheres. Earth's atmosphere is primarily made up of Nitrogen (78%) and Oxygen (21%). There are also trace amounts of carbon dioxide, water vapor, methane, etc. Venus has a much simpler atmosphere that is made up mostly of carbon dioxide and nitrogen. The thing is, the atmospheric content of carbon dioxide on Venus is 96%. The remaining 4% is nitrogen."

The co2 humans emit has to go somewhere and do something. It's going into our air and oceans, causing acidification and climate change.

We know co2 is a warming agent and we pump gigatons of it into the air, and the earth cant keep up.

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It can absolutely keep up, considering the "gigatons" of co2 we are pumping into the air the average temperature has only increased 0.7 degrees celsius over the past 150 years. Now you can argue that man-made greenhouse gases are the cause, which most climate scientists disagree on, or you can think about it this way. The average temperature rose 6-7 degrees celsius since the ice age, the temperature of the Earth naturally increased, so has the population of the Earth. Dramatically over the last 100 years or so. Could it not be possible that the increase in temperature happens faster due to the sheer population of the Earth? Cows for example, due to the need for food there is a massive amount of cows now compared to before.

There are other factors at play and I agree with the climate scientists when they say that man made greenhouse gases are not the driving factor. If you need an example of how climate change advocates overblow the figures for personal gain just look at Al Gore, he used models from climate scientists to push a narrative that the polar ice caps would melt in 2014 and the Earth would be flooded. It didn't happen, he got rich, and now someone else is trying to cash in.

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How can you be absolutely sure that the sun has not increased its output? Not saying its true or false but you can not say that with 100% certainty.

If you read the whole thing you would see that man-made gases are discussed. You are welcome to look up the papers written by the scientists if you like.

My main problem with the venus vs. Earth argument is that in comparing the two there is no real way to do so. Venus only receives 30% of the radiation of 193 units, Earth gets 70% of 100 units using your example. That means 57.9 units stay within Venus and 70 stay within Earth. Venus has 96% co2 and the Earth has less than 1%. Average temperature of venus is 480C and Earth is 15C. The average temperature is 32 times higher on Venus than Earth. Seems odd to me that given how many factors are completely different between the two planets that co2 is solely to blame for it.

Venus is covered in "thick layers of clouds" of sulfuric acid. Which does account for the reflection of radiation, but how else does it affect the overall temperature? Does it also help to hold in the heat that does make it through? What is Venus made of exactly? Is it rock as we know it or is it a different sort of material that heats up faster than ours? Its the theory that its similar to ours, has a mantle and a core, but of what exactly? My point is that there are too many factors about Venus that we do not know to even begin to compare the two, let alone use a single factor in direct comparison.

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Typical answer I always get. I didn't ask for an "ideal" climate number. I asked for the actual temperature of "normal". No disrespect, but you are very typical of the people who believe this theory. You assume because the 1800 climate was "relatively untouched" by evil industrialism, it would be the "normal". Are you aware that far more people die from cold than they do warmth?

But, let's take your answer at face value. If the 1800 climate was supposedly ideal, then what caused the warmth the Vikings took advantage of on Greenland, back in the day? Ice covered Greenland used to be a fertile growing ground, warm enough to grow grapes. So, with no industrialization in the time of the Vikings, what caused the earth to be "above normal" temperature? Greenhouse gases? What caused them? Did cow farts back then pack more methane than today?

Again, no disrespect intended. My sarcasm is intended to get you to think this through. Climate constantly changes, and mostly due to natural causes. The sun actually has more influence on our climate than anything else, and we are currently moving into a period of very low solar activity. Did you ever wonder why they transitioned from calling it man made global warming to calling it man made climate change?

A side note. When the AGW crowd was first squealing about how we were all going to burn up, back in the late 80's, early 90's, I jokingly said to family and friends that we should just up our particulate pollution a bit. Because when I was going to school in the 70's, we were all going to freeze in the next ice age caused by -- you guessed it -- man made causes. Sometime this year, I read an article about a learned "climate scientist/ activist" who suggested (you can't make this shit up) developing a technology to apply aerosol particulates to the upper atmosphere as a way to cool the earth. I laughed my ass off.

The AGW/ACC "theory" is Marxism masquerading as science. Any time anyone tells you there is a consensus, it ain't science. It is either political, religious, or opinion.

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You shouldn't believe everything the media tells you.

And yet, here you are believing everything today's media is telling you. You're cute.

Of course the climate has always been changing, I'm not trying to dispute that. The issue is that it is now changing much fast than we can deal with due to our own involvement in it.

How do you know that? Because a hundred or so "scientists" -- many of them not even climatologists -- tell you so? Have you ever stopped to ask yourself how THEY KNOW? You do realize, do you not, that we have only recently been able to accurately map the earth's temperatures by satellite and other high tech means? This argument is similar to the "hurricanes are SO MUCH more powerful today, because they create SO MUCH more damage than they used to" argument. Except, they never factor in that population densities in coastal areas are exponentially higher today than they were in the past. By definition, a Cat 5 today is going to do far more damage if there is more there for it TO damage.

A few degrees within a thousand years is survivable, ten degrees in a hundred years is not.

Well, first of all, I haven't seen anyone, even the alarmists, claim temperatures are going to increase 10 degrees in a hundred years. But again, I'll take it at face value. Has it ever struck you as odd that ALL of these dire predictions are 50 years, 100 years off in the future? "We must do something TODAY, in order to protect our grandchildren tomorrow." Further, are you aware that ALL of these predictions are based off of computer modeling? You can make a computer model say anything you want it to, depending on what data you plug into it. It is also worth noting that not one of the near term predictions these models produced -- polar ice caps melting, sea rise, etc. -- have been right. In fact, they have been demonstrably wrong. Which, of course, is why they have begun to model for 50, 100 years off. When most of us alive today won't be alive to find out if they are right. One more point on temperatures: Global temps stopped rising about a decade ago, and are now beginning to fall.

Besides, "global cooling" is a meme that was never taken seriously in the scientific community. You shouldn't believe everything the media tells you.

Son, I don't need the media to tell me anything about what I LIVED. I love it when you young whipper snappers get all arrogant with those of us who actually sat in science classrooms watching films, and filmstrips about how man was creating SO MUCH pollution that it was going to block out the sun's rays and freeze us all TO DEATH! It was either Time or Newsweek who ran a cover in the 70's proclaiming the new coming Ice Age. I don't know that because someone TOLD me, I know because I READ THE DAMN ARTICLE! I also grew up during the time when they told us oil was running out, I remember the gas lines of the 70's during the manufactured "oil crisis". You are arrogant in your ignorance.

The first president I ever voted for once said something I'm going to paraphrase here and apply to you: It's not that you are wrong, it's just that so much of what you know, just isn't so.

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Oh no ! We're all gonna DIE! In a hundred or so years ...

Look, let me give the propaganda writers of this "study" some pointers:

Don't tell me temps were 23.4 degrees warmer than now. It makes my bullshit detector go off. There is no way in hell they could get that exact. A range ... you could say "temperatures were between 15 to 25 degrees warmer than today" is MUCH more believable.
All of these models have "flaws". LOL. That's to put it mildly.
If continents were "closely packed together", would that not create different ocean currents? And since all continents are constantly drifting, albeit by minuscule amounts by human standards, could that not have an effect on the earth's cooling/warming system? Why is nobody studying this?
Did the writers of this study correlate solar data with warming and cooling cycles? I mean, after all, since they can give me an EXACT temperature differential, surely they can also know EXACTLY what solar activity was. Right?
Has the trifecta of "researchers" who have had past "studies" picked apart: IPCC, Columbia University, Leeds, and NASA Goddard.
And finally ... the one glaring thing that ALWAYS stands out to me: They compare "historical data" from 100 years ago and compare it to MILLIONS of years with NO HARD DATA, only THEORIES, in order to condemn the existence of man.

Most paleontologists, anthropologists, geologists, etc. agree with the theory 3 major extinction events have happened in the history of Earth. All 3 of these events are theorized to have occurred BEFORE the appearance of man as a species. Again, the glaring question in my mind is, How? If man was not there to cause it millions of years ago, then it MUST have been natural occurrences, either earthly or otherworldly. Why do we assume that what is happening today is caused by man, when we have sufficient evidence that Earth has been through major change before?

edit: some punctuation and a few words.

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Title	Sad but probably true.
Author	Zero_Secc
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Comments	97
Date	December 12, 2018 11:48 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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