Teaching Your Daughters

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2015-03-18T18:04:36+00:00

IMO, probably THE single most important thing is for you is that:

You (especially you as her father, her MODEL of a male) DO NOT call her "Princess" -- and do NOT treat her as if she were that -- a big part of that equation/problem is making certain the whole sickening schmaltz of the "Disney" universe is kept to a minimum. (Make certain she doesn't lack anything she NEEDS, but be wary of "gifting" her with anything/everything that she may WANT.) Ideally, you would be able to keep her ENTIRELY away from the Disney crap -- but practically speaking (unless you go Amish), that ain't gonna happen -- so you should try to BALANCE (early on if possible, like a vaccination/innoculation against) any of the "Disney Princess" stories with things like the old Grimm's fairy tales, about "haughty/arrogant" princesses brought low like the "King Thrushbeard" story.

Fail to do that, FALL into the currently common "trap" of feeding her "Princess" fantasies & her every little "desire" and your "precious little daughter" will quite probably end up becoming a modern cock-carousel-riding, bad-boy-chasing, old-fart-rich-sugar-daddy-seeking WHORE. (And yes I've seen that happen -- multiple times -- in all such cases said "Daddy" invariably tries to live in UTTER DENIAL of what kind of a monster he has created/raised, what his little "princess" has in fact become; which often requires increasing mental contortions that are almost beyond belief.)
I'd say the OTHER important aspect -- almost coequal -- is to teach her (and your son likewise) the VALUE of things, and the fact that it takes WORK to create/acquire anything (and perhaps along with it, that things acquired WITHOUT work are generally NOT very fulfilling). A recent Wall Street Journal article gives what I think is some sound advice in that regard.

Because if what you hope/want for her is to eventually have a SOLID honest, moral life -- one where she finds a DECENT man with whom to TOGETHER build a solid family in turn... Well your daughter will have to have essentially the same kind of character traits as the MAN that you want her to attract.

If she values hard work, she will seek someone ELSE, some man who does the same -- but by contrast if she thinks money and "things" just magically appear whenever you need/want them, well again she will seek out the kinds of MEN who think likewise (i.e. the unethical parasites, "users" and "manipulators", etc).

EDIT: I'm also going to note that I am mainly in DISAGREEMENT with the advice of others in this thread -- I think it is of far LESS importance to teach her about the types of men to avoid (certainly there is a time and place for that, but that is later on, when she is older) -- and it is of far MORE importance to teach her about the types of men (and indeed the types of PEOPLE, including female friends) that she should SEEK OUT as companions.

We are often shaped far MORE by our "peer group" and those people who we CHOOSE (or get stuck with) hanging around -- much of that happens OUTSIDE of the home, and as a consequence outside of the control of the parents; so WHO your daughter chooses to be "friends" with in her early years (yes even preschool and kindergarten) will probably have at least as much influence on her as your own home... the chief aspect/influence of the parents is in shaping of the child's character PRIOR to her getting into those environments (where she is effectively "on her own").

And when you think about what CHILDREN engage in for behavior, well most of it is far more rudimentary and simpler than warnings about "douchebags" or "sexual flirting" -- and a lot more about "idealized" fantasies and stories: if your daughter {and/or her friends} idealizes "princesses" and "barbies" she will turn out vastly different than if she is focused on females that are more in the line of the hardworking farm girls in the books/shows like "Little House on the Prairie" {which also has an excellent and easy to dislike female-girl "villain" in the character of the snotty/snooty Nellie Olson}).

Keep in mind that it is NOT that your goal needs to be to teach her or train her into becoming some woman whose sole purpose in life is to be "barefoot, pregnant & in the kitchen" -- it doesn't HAVE to be that at all -- rather your goal is so that she doesn't become a spoiled BRAT wanting everything handed to her on a silver plate (and then becoming either a bitch or a whore in order to acquire it via manipulation); if she wants to become an engineer, or a chemist, or a veterinarian... so be it; if she wants to be a mother & housewife, well THAT is a worthy calling & life too; if she wants to try to combine those things (understanding that such a balance requires significant COMPROMISES in time and effort) well that's good too... but none of those paths are paved with being a bar-fly, or the sex-toy of the football team (or some frathouse jerks), etc.

grasshopa · 2015-03-18T16:34:24+00:00

The primary thing? To honor herself. That responsibility and consequences go hand in hand. This means that there should always be a balance, a true equality, in all of her relationships.

While I won't tell her what she should do as far as marriage and relationships, she sees what her mother puts herself through and what I do, so I think she'll come to the rational conclusion on her own. Heck, at 11 she's already noticing that her mother "wastes so much time dating", whereas "daddy has more time to do fun stuff".

SQQQ · 2015-03-19T14:43:30+00:00

i have a daughter but theres not much i can do about it.

the gov't have infiltrated the families. they openly teach girls how its perfectly OK to ride the CC. its perfectly OK to be a feminazi and call themselves SJW.

everyone around her says i m the bad guy, i m wrong and they r right. that includes my wife.

besides... anything i say can be used against me in the court of law. so..... its dangerous stuff.

20019 · 2015-03-18T16:34:37+00:00

I would teach her to recognise how privileged she is and to treat men as equals, not walking wallets.

rubifenrx · 2015-03-20T06:31:08+00:00

Golden Rule: She is NOT a princess.

Do that, and you have done 90% of your work.

And dont let her watch too much TV, or none at all.

PM_ME_UR_PLANTS · 2015-03-20T22:18:36+00:00

Aside from all the other advice, I want to let you know where challenges for other modes of thought will come from: peers, teachers, family members. Those will be the biggest influences leading her in other directions. I don't recommend warning her personally about them, but to be aware of when she is interacting with them, and help her with the critical thought necessary to see the problems in the way they see the world.

As far as media goes, it has impacts in two ways: 1) people seek out media that reaffirms their views. If she's getting heavily attracted to gynocentric media, then that's a red flag and you might wan to help her critically analyze it. 2) The response others have to media. If a guy is getting hit in the nuts or attacked by a woman, and the people surrounding her laugh, she'll be learning that's an acceptable part of her group. If the people around her show disdain, she'll be learning it isn't. So media doesn't directly impact, as studies on violent video games have shown, but can be used to know her views and for those surrounding her to express their views.

ITravelin_Man · 2015-03-20T06:19:36+00:00

Be harder on her than you might otherwise. Not cruel, but not soft. Let her know you have expectations of her. That if she fails, no one will pick up the slack. I think it's okay for kids to taste shit a little bit. It's probably crushing, but it worked for me and I'm very well admired & envied.

IronBear76 · 2015-03-18T16:21:05+00:00

These are the ones I have gleaned from reading MGTOW

1) Teach her how to identify douchebags. Like really teach her all the specific warning signs of a guy that will pump-n-dump her.
-- I think this one is really important because it seems like a lot of women have projected the behavior of the douchebag that fucked them over early in life on to all men.

2) Teach her to not be ashamed of her sexuality & flirting, but at the same time remind her that there is person at the other side of that interaction. The golden rule does not have a "dating clause"

3) Teach her that about 90% of the time when men give her things out of the blue it is because they want sex and they are willing to lie about why they are doing it. Set your self an ethical limit on gifts from men and never go above it no matter how tempting it may be.

4) Teach her that rejecting and handling rejection is difficult skill for anyone to learn. Do not take it personally when the guy does not handle your rejection well. Being rejected illicits punishment hormones in a person no matter the source.

Morranaii · 2015-03-18T17:49:29+00:00

This is flawed by the very question IMO. I guess every father that loves her daughter first of all want for her the very best and that is - to get a complacent servant known as a beta male. Because currently the only alternative is an alpha, which of course will not serve her any long-term purpose.

Even if you teach her all the good things, that cannot guarantee anything. She will go out to her colleagues and friends who probably be far more 'spoiled' than her, she will live in a society that is ruled by the same rules as now, she will encounter everything just as it is and that will have its influence.

The problem is not that women can't view men as equals- I believe that is possible. But that they don't need to. And that's our problem. We as men must change to enforce proper treatment and punish bad behaviours. Waiting for women to change is like never leaving your home because you're afraid of being struck by a meteorite. In theory it sounds like a good tactic but in practice, you are limiting your boundaries because you made them dependent on some other (female) person.

Title	Teaching Your Daughters
Author	IronBear76
Upvotes	12
Comments	41
Date	March 18, 2015 4:12 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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