Boom! I'm here. Excited to join this place. Wow. I learned about MGTOW i believe over the course of the last year. My senses opened up at that moment and i figured it solved most of my social problems. You know how it is, you're nearing 25 years of age and you're still weird in front of females. I say 25 years because i believe if you don't have 'experience' dealing with girls before that age then you're about to become that weird, socially awkward guy. I'm sorry. I'm always reading posts where guys trying to 'reason' around their predicament and it's pointless. I have been there. I have read these dating books, books on conversations, being interesting. They all make things worse, tbh. Meanwhile, guys who are 'natural' with girls are wondering how comes you're weird, and girls are thinking maybe you're gay. By the way, i have had a girl flat out tell me she thought i was gay. In front of my buddy. And all he did was laugh along. You can't imagine the humiliation. Even though i have had these hard experiences, i don't believe i am an Incel. I don't resent women. On the contrary, i believe in equality for women. Let them live the life they want and maybe 'gentlemen' will ease up on the pleasantries. Anyway, after some deep thinking, i came to the realization that women CHOOSE men and men put themselves up to be chosen. I have no fear of rejection, but i hate the social anxiety that comes along with it. Once i adopted MGTOW thinking, i became more casual in social situations. You're not tense in social circles with women because you essentially do not give a fuck if they think you're hot or cool. You're just you, going about your life, and enjoying yourself. That's why i think that MGTOW is a promise of hope for men who have suffered social anxiety based on interactions with women. It is not a pathetic cause that should be degraded to the level of INCEL. I believe that while MGTOW and Incels go through the same painful experiences, MGTOW is the positive reaction. You hurt no one, you have a stress-free life, and you actually focus on stuff that bring actual joy to YOUR life, rather than living to please someone else. Anyway, hope this wasn't too long. Thanks for reading through.