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[–]dinky_hawker14 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
the list of 3 basic rights follows a far-too-lengthy introduction.
the appeal to become a herd, an along with the crowd fails because most of us came here because we were sick of going along with the crowd.
[–]Goodbyetoday1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Great article but the one point I couldn't agree with is the planed parenthood segment. The fact that the only way(from my understanding) a woman can get pregnant is through sexual intercouse with a male or artificial insemination, it is on part of the male that the reason there is now a baby at hand. Condoms are 90+% effective in preventing STI fromspreading, and I think 90+% effective in preventing pregnancies, so I don't really see how a woman can be at fault for having the baby. I DO BELIEVE a man should have a choice in having te baby, but we men already have that choice: not having sex without pulling out or using a condom. Thoughts?
[–]bucketh3ad11 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Women can also choose not to have sex without proper preventive measures. Yet if a pregnancy results, they also have the right to have an abortion, give up their child for adoption (even if the father wants custody), outright abandon their child to the care of the government, or keep the child and demand the man pay for it every month for the next two decades.
Men have the choice to comply with the mother's decision or face serious legal difficulties for trying to make his own choice, often including jail time.
At bare minimum, men need the right to waive their parental obligations within the same window that women can seek an abortion.
Ty forte feedback. Now I can better understand the point of the planed parenthood idea.
[–]JudgyBitch9 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You could make the same argument for women. The birth control pill is 99% effective so if you don't want to risk that 1% chance, never let a man come inside you.
Women can choose to face the consequences of sex. Men get no choice.
If men are going to be forced to face the consequences, then women should be, too. No abortion.
Excellent point. Forgot about that. Just wanted a better understanding of the planed parenthood idea that the guy was talking about.
[–]blueoak96 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"but we men already have that choice: not having sex without pulling out or using a condom. Thoughts?"
Yeah. That's exactly the position of the anti-choice crowd, except they are gender-blind about it. It's a position that rejects reproductive freedom. FAIL.
Woooops I worded it wrong. I'm typing on an iPod touch, & didn't re read what I posted. What I meant to say was we have a choice to pull out when having sex or wear a condom. But I understand now what you mean as gender-blind advocates. Ty for the response though :D
[–]oneiorosgrip1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Assuming intercourse as a given, and excluding surgical birth control (which both sexes can do) men have one method of reducing pregnancy risk, and it's only a true risk reduction if it's never in the woman's possession, and if it's used correctly: the condom.
Women have: The female condom (if the guy doesn't use a condom.) A sponge barrier (to the cervix) with spermicide Spermicidal film, a semi-barrier (to the cervix) Spermicidal foam Spermicidal gel A variety of hormonal pills Hormonal shots Hormonal subcutaneous implants Intrauterine devices Hormonally enhanced intrauterine devices
and if we're really creative, we can use two or more of those methods together. A woman who does not want to get pregnant has all kinds of options for avoiding conception during intercourse, and we can choose methods which are low maintenance (implants and IUDs) that we don't have to think about right before sex, or even the same day or week... and we can supplement those methods with barrier methods or spermicide if we choose. A really cautious woman could use all 3 - hormone, barrier, and spermicide - and reduce her risk to an infinitesimally tiny level.
Beyond that, a woman has the choice of whether to carry to term, or abort, regardless of the father's input, and regardless of whether doing so is a right, or is wrong. We can use chemical abortion early on, or surgical abortion later.
Barring abortion, women also have the choice of whether or not to retain custody. If the mother doesn't want custody of the child, she can
At no point, and in no way, is the condition of custodial motherhood anything but a choice. The mother is not only responsible for this choice, but entirely so, as following conception, every choice, every step of the way, is hers. So yes, the mother is "at fault," not just for having the baby, but for choosing to take the responsibility of supporting and raising the baby. There is no excuse at all for allowing her to also make that choice on behalf of the father.
[–]Goodbyetoday2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Unbelievable. I'm just astonished in the amount of thought and I just can't describe how awesome of a response this is. Thank you oneiorosgrip for the response, it helps me understand how bias my mind WAS about choice in parenthood, and I hope this helps other MRA's understand it too. Thank you.
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Love the blog.
[–]BurntPork0 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I think men for the most part are individualists by nature. This is our curse and blessing. By being self sufficient we can adapt to many situations. The other side of the coin is that we hurt our position by being the lone wolf in the crowd that no one can hear.
Women on the other hand have a tendency to be part of a herd. To be drawn to a group think mentality. This is why when they speak, it is so loud. Numbers always get the attention.
Of course, this does not apply to all. Though, after watching men and women in groups, this is the behavior I see the most.
[–]TheBigC-8 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
As a man we discuss many rights issues, and the issue of circumcision is not one of them. Women bring it up all the time, but men - not so much. I think this comes from female circumcision, which is an issue. The transference to the other gender is not valid, in my opinion.
[–]Nightfalls1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm upvoting because you're questioning things, and without questions, there are no answers.
I vehemently disagree with you, of course, but that doesn't mean I'm going to tell you that by downvoting you. That crap needs to stop, otherwise we end up with just a circlejerk with no dissent.
You brought up the idea that circumcision may be transference. It's a valid hypothesis. It is, however, irrelevant to the morality of the practice.
This board concentrates heavily on body integrity. It's a basic human right to be whole. The arguments of "it's just a little skin" don't hold up very well if the gender is reversed. It's said to be more hygienic, and again, those arguments don't hold up in reverse.
It's a difficult topic to talk about because so many men who were cut before they could even see don't want to admit that their genitals have been mutilated without their consent. We don't want to see our penises as disfigured. We've lived okay without our foreskins for years, so we "never missed it". We can still achieve orgasm without it, even if the loss of sensitivity tends to put a rush on the "goal" rather than the fun of actually having sex.
There are plenty of first-hand accounts of men who have either voluntarily been circumcised as adults or been pressured into it by a significant other, and a majority of these do describe a noted decrease in pleasure.
Regardless of all the reasons I've listed, and despite any arguments about the benefits or lack of detriment, it is still morally wrong. The only thing a baby boy should have cut off him is his umbilical cord. Circumcision is almost entirely done without the consent of the male whose penis is being cut. The very rare cases where it's done with the consent of the male are not an issue, aside from the ones who are coerced into it.
It's an unnecessary body modification. Regardless of why it's paid attention to, it's still wrong.
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